PIP was 2nd claim with new conditions but from 15 April 2025 new 3rd claim as advised.

peteuk

tifo said:

peteuk said:

Can we get this thread closed, its 35 pages long, the OP has contradicted themselves more than once, is obviously either failing to understand or choosing not to understand the advice given and is just going round in circles. 

If admin close this thread based on the request of someone who doesn't agree with posts then that stops others who have an interest in following it, as some useful info may come out of it.

Those that no longer have an interest in this thread have stopped posting on it and left that to those that want to continue to read it.

I know you've posted advice, which is appreciated as you've taken the time to do it, and it's all been taken on board by me.

To be honest, when a post gets this long, it's difficult to keep up with what's going on.  And if you're wanting advice on your new PIP application, then ideally you should have started a new thread.  But hey, it is what it is. 

It's good to see you've taken on board the guidance offered from various posts, all of which will come from someone with a different experience, knowledge, and understanding of the system. 

As for your new PIP assessment, the assessor will have access to your previous assessments. Depending on the assessor, depends on how they see your new conditions (the gap between applying and assessment has been a bonus for you) as it's allowed you to have a diagnosis for 3 months.  (Not sure if the 3/9 months rule still applies) But some will argue you've got the symptoms for Z period but no diagnosis, so therefore discredit the claim. Some will see it as you've had the symptoms for X period, and now we know it's Y condition. 

But the bottom line is, although you now have a diagnosis, have your symptoms and ability changed? It could be argued no. CBT is a great start. Youve sumbitted the evidence and application?  Did you apply for CBT eg self refereal, if so it might have been worth getting a note from the GP thats mentions "advised to self refer to CBT" 

Personally I think you may shot the gun too quickly, your case would have been potentially stronger with a report from the CBT and any onward referral letters.  Although I doubt your anxiety will be "cured" CBT could give you the lifeskills to either control or overcome it, therefore wiping your PIP requirements. Equally it could not...

Not sure what scale your therapist is using for anxiety, the standard is Gad 7 (7 questions scoring 0-3) so max score is 21. Equally the deperesion tool PHQ9 (9 quesitons scoring 0-3) has a max score of 27. These are usually used in conjuction with each other, so often you may score high on the GAD 7 and low on the PHQ9. Equally you could score high on both at the same time. =

Muttleythefrog

Not much advice can be given that hasn't already. My advice was to make a later claim when you had lots of solid evidence and the sands were less shifting.. but you've done it now and it carries risks of repeating mistakes of past or a short award since treatment is only being initiated now. 

My fear is if you do have success with this claim this time it'll be short lived and you'll be back here at reassessment when they think your treatments may have changed your disablements. I would have waited... seen the impact... established some stability and solid evidence for PIP claim going forward rather than making it look like you just keep applying and adding new conditions until something sticks.

To correct you.... they did consider your mental illnesses in assessment...you described that in the thread.. the problem was you only raised them in the actual assessment itself and so they had no other evidence to corroborate your claims which themselves seemed unprepared and quite random in arising in that assessment. The lack of mention of the problems on the form was only one aspect of issues you faced and the idea the problems were not considered due to lack of mention on the PIP form (which you seek to correct this time) is at best only partially true. 

Good luck with the treatments and hopefully you can get a better insight into your OCD which seems poorly understood and documented... medically and in relation to PIP. OCD can be severely disabling and if relevant to your claim I hope you have documented on the form the mechanics and realities of how it affects you in the various tasks. Examples help.

tifo

peteuk said:

Not sure what scale your therapist is using for anxiety, the standard is Gad 7 (7 questions scoring 0-3) so max score is 21. Equally the deperesion tool PHQ9 (9 quesitons scoring 0-3) has a max score of 27. These are usually used in conjuction with each other, so often you may score high on the GAD 7 and low on the PHQ9. Equally you could score high on both at the same time.

I don't know but in the last appointment the therapist went through a different set of questions than the standard ones i complete before an appointment and said you've scored 57 out of 72 and anything over 19 is seen as a problem.

tifo

I've had the assessment today and, like last time, received the DWP text "we've received your PIP report" an hour later so don't know if this is a good or bad sign. I do understand the reports are done online and will probably be sent to the DWP after the assessment but so soon?

The assessor did concentrate on mental health a lot and overall asked less questions and let me speak more. In the end I wasn't sure she'd gone through everything and I asked, she said "yes, i've gone though it all".

She repeated the same questions a few times and my answers were the same, as they would be because my conditions don't change.

Muttleythefrog

It's a normal sign... the reports are normally rapidly sent to DWP unless audited. You could try asking for a copy (from the DWP)..

tifo

Muttleythefrog said:

It's a normal sign... the reports are normally rapidly sent to DWP unless audited. You could try asking for a copy.

They called me on Friday confirming the appointment and asked if i would mind if someone sat in with the assessor, i said No i don't mind, i forgot to ask ...

poppy12345

tifo said:

Muttleythefrog said:

It's a normal sign... the reports are normally rapidly sent to DWP unless audited. You could try asking for a copy.

They called me on Friday confirming the appointment and asked if i would mind if someone sat in with the assessor, i said No i don't mind, i forgot to ask ...

It’s PIP you need to ring to request the report and not the assessment providers. 

Muttleythefrog

tifo said:

Muttleythefrog said:

It's a normal sign... the reports are normally rapidly sent to DWP unless audited. You could try asking for a copy.

They called me on Friday confirming the appointment and asked if i would mind if someone sat in with the assessor, i said No i don't mind, i forgot to ask ...

As above... it's the DWP (PIP helpline) you would have to request the report from.

tifo

Muttleythefrog said:

As above... it's the DWP (PIP helpline) you would have to request the report from.

I know ... i've done it before, i think it's the 'something else' option where they take an hour answering .... thanks

tifo

tifo said:

Muttleythefrog said:

It's a normal sign... the reports are normally rapidly sent to DWP unless audited. You could try asking for a copy.

They called me on Friday confirming the appointment and asked if i would mind if someone sat in with the assessor, i said No i don't mind, i forgot to ask ...

I meant i forgot to ask if the assessor had someone sitting in with them .... PIP/DWP called me on Friday confirming the appointment and asked if i would mind if someone sat in with the assessor, i said No i don't mind.

Doesn't matter now as assessment done ....