Any Energy Providers which dont enforce smart meter

GingerTim

If the much-missed @Dolor was still around, they would likely point out the following regarding the oxymoron of 'dumb smart meters':

Dolor said:

When I was last in discussion with someone who knows about smart metering, he told me that there is no such thing as a dumb smart meter: it is simply, a supplier not using smart meter readings for billing.  Installers need to fit a comms hub to install and commission a smart metering system, and it is self evident from the OP’s post that the comms hub was linked to a network - otherwise it could not be updated OTA.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/80320924/#Comment_80320924

MWT

Mauldor said:

MWT said:

Mauldor said:

QrizB said:

No, there are none.

Ofgem requires that smart meters be installed, and (if smart) remain that way.

Not 100% True, if the supplier does not support your smart meter, it operates in a dumb mode in which you supply the readings and such - as it was when I was with Bristol Energy (who are now no more).

With the adoption of the SMETS1 meters into the DCC the possibility for a supplier to not support your meter pretty much ended.

If your meter cannot be adopted then your supplier is obliged to replace it with a new SMETS2 meter...

https://www.smartdcc.co.uk/our-smart-network/current-programmes/smets1-enrolment-and-adoption/

Glad you found the link that proves the point, specifically this part:

You will not be able to move to any supplier that will be able to leave you with a meter in dumb mode, as they all have an obligation to replace any un-enrolled SMETS1 meters...

EssexHebridean

Clearly the straightforward option here for the OP - as they apparently don't have any objection to smart meters as such, just a preference for continuing to do things as they always have - is simply to continue to do things as they always have, which solves their issue?

MattMattMattUK

In theory wrapping the comms hub in enough tin foil would block the signal, although it could still get out around the back, depending on the construction of the building and the direction of the network infrastructure. 

Gerry1

MattMattMattUK said:

In theory wrapping the comms hub in enough tin foil would block the signal, although it could still get out around the back, depending on the construction of the building and the direction of the network infrastructure. 

I doubt it.  My mobile phone will still ring if I put it in the (switched off) microwave oven, ditto in a Cadbury's chocolate tin.

MattMattMattUK

Gerry1 said:

MattMattMattUK said:

In theory wrapping the comms hub in enough tin foil would block the signal, although it could still get out around the back, depending on the construction of the building and the direction of the network infrastructure. 

I doubt it.  My mobile phone will still ring if I put it in the (switched off) microwave oven, ditto in a Cadbury's chocolate tin.

If you turn on the microwave it will not ring though 

Foil will attenuate the signal, it is only low power so does not need to block much to stop it working, but a single layer would not be enough, multiple layers with some separation (paper between them) would be better, though a Faraday cage would solve things, though of course that would also be insane. 

EssexHebridean

MattMattMattUK said:

Gerry1 said:

MattMattMattUK said:

In theory wrapping the comms hub in enough tin foil would block the signal, although it could still get out around the back, depending on the construction of the building and the direction of the network infrastructure. 

I doubt it.  My mobile phone will still ring if I put it in the (switched off) microwave oven, ditto in a Cadbury's chocolate tin.

If you turn on the microwave it will not ring though 

I suspect it might Snap, Crackle and Pop! 

In all seriousness, I have a feeling that someone - perhaps Dolor (if only we were able to ask!) turned up the fact that there was a good chance that wrapping the comms hub in foil could be considered as "interfering with equipment". 

MultiFuelBurner

MattMattMattUK said:

Gerry1 said:

MattMattMattUK said:

In theory wrapping the comms hub in enough tin foil would block the signal, although it could still get out around the back, depending on the construction of the building and the direction of the network infrastructure. 

I doubt it.  My mobile phone will still ring if I put it in the (switched off) microwave oven, ditto in a Cadbury's chocolate tin.

If you turn on the microwave it will not ring though 

Foil will attenuate the signal, it is only low power so does not need to block much to stop it working, but a single layer would not be enough, multiple layers with some separation (paper between them) would be better, though a Faraday cage would solve things, though of course that would also be insane. 

This made me curious 

MattMattMattUK

MultiFuelBurner said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Gerry1 said:

MattMattMattUK said:

In theory wrapping the comms hub in enough tin foil would block the signal, although it could still get out around the back, depending on the construction of the building and the direction of the network infrastructure. 

I doubt it.  My mobile phone will still ring if I put it in the (switched off) microwave oven, ditto in a Cadbury's chocolate tin.

If you turn on the microwave it will not ring though 

Foil will attenuate the signal, it is only low power so does not need to block much to stop it working, but a single layer would not be enough, multiple layers with some separation (paper between them) would be better, though a Faraday cage would solve things, though of course that would also be insane. 

This made me curious 

That could work depending on what it is made out of and the rest of the network (eg. it can still penetrate the wall).

TheElectricCow

MattMattMattUK said:

MultiFuelBurner said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Gerry1 said:

MattMattMattUK said:

In theory wrapping the comms hub in enough tin foil would block the signal, although it could still get out around the back, depending on the construction of the building and the direction of the network infrastructure. 

I doubt it.  My mobile phone will still ring if I put it in the (switched off) microwave oven, ditto in a Cadbury's chocolate tin.

If you turn on the microwave it will not ring though 

Foil will attenuate the signal, it is only low power so does not need to block much to stop it working, but a single layer would not be enough, multiple layers with some separation (paper between them) would be better, though a Faraday cage would solve things, though of course that would also be insane. 

This made me curious 

That could work depending on what it is made out of and the rest of the network (eg. it can still penetrate the wall).

According to the website they’re made from stainless steel mesh for electric meters or a silver fibre blanket for a gas meter. The products claim to reduce “bursts of microwave radiation” and “the electrical field” produced by smart meters by 95%.

Interestingly they also offer a similar product for wifi routers, I’m sure glad someone has finally found a way to stop all the radio waves leaking out of those damn things. 

Other helpful products on offer include EMF absorbing/reflecting rocks, electrical field attenuators, incandescent lightbulbs, and (I suspect the most honestly advertised item) “Dried Cow Dung Cakes”.