Any Energy Providers which dont enforce smart meter

Newbie_John

What would be the purpose of it?

Smart not smart, you can still send your readings manually if that's what you wish?
Not liking that little device in the kitchen (IHD)? It is just a gadget - you can unplug it and then the meter runs like any other really, you can manually submit your readings.

Mobtr

Mauldor said:

Mobtr said:

Mauldor said:

I have a SMETS1 Smart meter installed and have been trying to get this put into DUMB Mode. British Gas said it is not possible, Ocotopus said it is not possible. Does anyone know of any supplier I could move to that would enable me to have the Smart meter put into Dumb Mode? I have emailed EON and OVO. 

I’m just being curious but why do you want it in dumb mode now when you must have had it in for several years? 

I was with Bristol Energy who operated the meter in Dumb mode, it was not until I was forced across to British Gas it became Smart. I am happier supplying my own readings every week / month and getting a bill - call me old fashioned but it seems you cannot get rid of Smart meters once you have one.

Just continue to give your readings every week/month, they will be exactly the same as the ones the meter sends to BG but if you’re happier seeing a customer reading rather than a smart reading on your bills then surely that’s the solution 

Mauldor

Mobtr said:

Mauldor said:

Mobtr said:

Mauldor said:

I have a SMETS1 Smart meter installed and have been trying to get this put into DUMB Mode. British Gas said it is not possible, Ocotopus said it is not possible. Does anyone know of any supplier I could move to that would enable me to have the Smart meter put into Dumb Mode? I have emailed EON and OVO. 

I’m just being curious but why do you want it in dumb mode now when you must have had it in for several years? 

I was with Bristol Energy who operated the meter in Dumb mode, it was not until I was forced across to British Gas it became Smart. I am happier supplying my own readings every week / month and getting a bill - call me old fashioned but it seems you cannot get rid of Smart meters once you have one.

Just continue to give your readings every week/month, they will be exactly the same as the ones the meter sends to BG but if you’re happier seeing a customer reading rather than a smart reading on your bills then surely that’s the solution 

Actually when I left British Gas and supplying the readings AND my smart meter gave them the readings, they still sent an estimated final bill - but that a different story eh.

MWT

Mauldor said:

QrizB said:

No, there are none.

Ofgem requires that smart meters be installed, and (if smart) remain that way.

Not 100% True, if the supplier does not support your smart meter, it operates in a dumb mode in which you supply the readings and such - as it was when I was with Bristol Energy (who are now no more).

With the adoption of the SMETS1 meters into the DCC the possibility for a supplier to not support your meter pretty much ended.

If your meter cannot be adopted then your supplier is obliged to replace it with a new SMETS2 meter...

bristolleedsfan

Mauldor said:

bristolleedsfan said:

QrizB said:

No, there are none.

Ofgem requires that smart meters be installed, and (if smart) remain that way.

Octopus have been known to put smart meter into dumb Mode, ask T.S on tracker thread (Gas) +

Octopus wrote this to me:

Unfortunately, as a supplier do not accompany the "dumb mode" with our smart meters.

We're required by our energy license to take all reasonable steps to ensure that any replacement energy meter is a smart meter. Under this government programme and per OFGEM regulations, we must aim to install smart metering equipment in every home in Great Britain - including electricity & gas meters, an in-home display, and a communications hub.Smart meters also help with balancing the grid, which reduces the need for 'dirty' energy from fossil fuels, and helps with preparing renewable energy for peak periods with higher consumption.

We can offer to address any concerns they may have about smart meters. The UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) published a study in the peer-reviewed journal of Bioelectromagnetics - Part 1, Part 2, and Part 3.

The results confirm UKHSA's existing advice that exposure to radio waves from smart meters is well below the guidelines set by the International Commission on Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection (ICNIRP). The study also concluded that exposure to the radio waves produced by smart meters is likely to be much lower than that from other everyday devices such as mobile phones and wifi equipment, so if they're concerned about smart meters, they could have this same concern for WiFi routers and extenders.

If this is still not acceptable to you then unfortunately we are out of options, as a supplier we do not offer the "dumb mode" for smart meters. Although we may not support this, there may be other suppliers that may have this offer.

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Mauldor

MWT said:

Mauldor said:

QrizB said:

No, there are none.

Ofgem requires that smart meters be installed, and (if smart) remain that way.

Not 100% True, if the supplier does not support your smart meter, it operates in a dumb mode in which you supply the readings and such - as it was when I was with Bristol Energy (who are now no more).

With the adoption of the SMETS1 meters into the DCC the possibility for a supplier to not support your meter pretty much ended.

If your meter cannot be adopted then your supplier is obliged to replace it with a new SMETS2 meter...

https://www.smartdcc.co.uk/our-smart-network/current-programmes/smets1-enrolment-and-adoption/

Mobtr

Mauldor said:

Mobtr said:

Mauldor said:

Mobtr said:

Mauldor said:

I have a SMETS1 Smart meter installed and have been trying to get this put into DUMB Mode. British Gas said it is not possible, Ocotopus said it is not possible. Does anyone know of any supplier I could move to that would enable me to have the Smart meter put into Dumb Mode? I have emailed EON and OVO. 

I’m just being curious but why do you want it in dumb mode now when you must have had it in for several years? 

I was with Bristol Energy who operated the meter in Dumb mode, it was not until I was forced across to British Gas it became Smart. I am happier supplying my own readings every week / month and getting a bill - call me old fashioned but it seems you cannot get rid of Smart meters once you have one.

Just continue to give your readings every week/month, they will be exactly the same as the ones the meter sends to BG but if you’re happier seeing a customer reading rather than a smart reading on your bills then surely that’s the solution 

Actually when I left British Gas and supplying the readings AND my smart meter gave them the readings, they still sent an estimated final bill - but that a different story eh.

That’s down to the new supplier & nothing to do with British Gas or the meter. The old supplier has to close the account using the reading given by the new supplier & can’t use your or the smart reading to override it. 

Mauldor

Mobtr said:

Mauldor said:

Mobtr said:

Mauldor said:

Mobtr said:

Mauldor said:

I have a SMETS1 Smart meter installed and have been trying to get this put into DUMB Mode. British Gas said it is not possible, Ocotopus said it is not possible. Does anyone know of any supplier I could move to that would enable me to have the Smart meter put into Dumb Mode? I have emailed EON and OVO. 

I’m just being curious but why do you want it in dumb mode now when you must have had it in for several years? 

I was with Bristol Energy who operated the meter in Dumb mode, it was not until I was forced across to British Gas it became Smart. I am happier supplying my own readings every week / month and getting a bill - call me old fashioned but it seems you cannot get rid of Smart meters once you have one.

Just continue to give your readings every week/month, they will be exactly the same as the ones the meter sends to BG but if you’re happier seeing a customer reading rather than a smart reading on your bills then surely that’s the solution 

Actually when I left British Gas and supplying the readings AND my smart meter gave them the readings, they still sent an estimated final bill - but that a different story eh.

That’s down to the new supplier & nothing to do with British Gas or the meter. The old supplier has to close the account using the reading given by the new supplier & can’t use your or the smart reading to override it. 

British Gas was the old Supplier, SO Energy was the new supplier, I gave the same readings to both of them. They even said in the blurb that as I have a smart meter, no need to give any readings - thank god that I did not take the advice and used the readings I took. You also failed to read they sent me a bill with Estimated readings - so they took a wild guess did they not?

QrizB

Mauldor said:

You also failed to read they sent me a bill with Estimated readings - so they took a wild guess did they not?

This was probably to meet their legal obligation to bill you within six weeks of leaving.

The reading used at handover is supplied to your old supplier (BG) by your new supplier (SO) via the mysterious third party, who validates it. If this process is delayed, your old supplier has to decide whether to give you an interim bill with an estimated reading or whether to pay you the compensation for a late bill.

Mauldor said:

 thank god that I did not take the advice and used the readings I took.

It's quite possible for the agreed handover reading to be different to both the smart meter reading and to the manual reading provided by the customer.

prowla

Mauldor said:

bristolleedsfan said:

QrizB said:

No, there are none.

Ofgem requires that smart meters be installed, and (if smart) remain that way.

Octopus have been known to put smart meter into dumb Mode, ask T.S on tracker thread (Gas) +

Octopus wrote this to me:

Unfortunately, as a supplier do not accompany the "dumb mode" with our smart meters.

We're required by our energy license to take all reasonable steps to ensure that any replacement energy meter is a smart meter. Under this government programme and per OFGEM regulations, we must aim to install smart metering equipment in every home in Great Britain - including electricity & gas meters, an in-home display, and a communications hub.Smart meters also help with balancing the grid, which reduces the need for 'dirty' energy from fossil fuels, and helps with preparing renewable energy for peak periods with higher consumption.

We can offer to address any concerns they may have about smart meters. The UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) published a study in the peer-reviewed journal of Bioelectromagnetics - Part 1, Part 2, and Part 3.

The results confirm UKHSA's existing advice that exposure to radio waves from smart meters is well below the guidelines set by the International Commission on Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection (ICNIRP). The study also concluded that exposure to the radio waves produced by smart meters is likely to be much lower than that from other everyday devices such as mobile phones and wifi equipment, so if they're concerned about smart meters, they could have this same concern for WiFi routers and extenders.

If this is still not acceptable to you then unfortunately we are out of options, as a supplier we do not offer the "dumb mode" for smart meters. Although we may not support this, there may be other suppliers that may have this offer.

Wow - Octupus want to ensure even their non-customers have smart meters!