Any Energy Providers which dont enforce smart meter

Gerry1

Netexporter said:

A fool and their money are easily parted.

Unlike the electricity meter, screening the gas meter might well work.  The ZigBee signal is low powered and often has difficulty if the two meters aren't close together or if there is a stone wall in the way.

However, it's likely its use would break the Ts & Cs so there might be an interesting moment when the meter reader turns up...

Newbie_John

Phones4Chris said:

Newbie_John said:

What would be the purpose of it?

Smart not smart, you can still send your readings manually if that's what you wish?
Not liking that little device in the kitchen (IHD)? It is just a gadget - you can unplug it and then the meter runs like any other really, you can manually submit your readings.

Just been having a laugh reading through this thread, but surprised that no-one else has picked upon this one.

I don't know why @Newbie_John thinks the Smart Meter will doing anything different just because you unplug the IHD. The Smart meter will carry on doing whatever it normally does in a particular installation whether you unplug the IHD, put on a tin-foil hat, trampled the IHD underfoot or put it in the bin, any of which I personally would regard as being particularly stupid, but if you really don't want the (limited) information the iHD can give you, fine, unplug it and put it in a drawer. Your meter will continue to work as normal.

PS. If you do use the IHD for "cost" information, rather than just Energy (kWh) usage, then make sure your supplier has updated the METER with your current tariff.

Hey, that's what I meant - the IHD is just a gadget, independent from smart meter. I was trying to figure out why OP doesn't want smart meter and I have seen people not liking IHDs / confusing them for smart meters.

So if they remove IHD, then there is no difference between smart and non-smart meter (apart from of course smart one still sending data), but you can ignore it and continue submitting it manually treating it just like any other old meter.

booneruk

Gerry1 said:

Netexporter said:

A fool and their money are easily parted.

Unlike the electricity meter, screening the gas meter might well work.  The ZigBee signal is low powered and often has difficulty if the two meters aren't close together or if there is a stone wall in the way.

However, it's likely its use would break the Ts & Cs so there might be an interesting moment when the meter reader turns up...

This still confuses me. You stop the gas meter communicating with your supplier by wrapping it in a faraday cage, but come the day you want to submit your readings, you have to take off the cage and submit the same values from the meter that would have been submitted automatically if it wasn't snuggly wrapped in the cage.

Or am I seeing something wrong?

Gerry1

booneruk said:

Gerry1 said:

Netexporter said:

A fool and their money are easily parted.

Unlike the electricity meter, screening the gas meter might well work.  The ZigBee signal is low powered and often has difficulty if the two meters aren't close together or if there is a stone wall in the way.

However, it's likely its use would break the Ts & Cs so there might be an interesting moment when the meter reader turns up...

This still confuses me. You stop the gas meter communicating with your supplier by wrapping it in a faraday cage, but come the day you want to submit your readings, you have to take off the cage and submit the same values from the meter that would have been submitted automatically if it wasn't snuggly wrapped in the cage.

Or am I seeing something wrong?

Perhaps the OP isn't too keen on all the other smart meter functionality such as having a remotely controlled Shut Off Valve together with a battery that can fail and cause the reading to increase randomly even when the supply is switched off as @MeteredOut proved?

Newbie_John

Analogues have plenty of faults there too.. so maybe the best solution will be to get solar panels and go off grid ? 

Phones4Chris

Gerry1 said:

Netexporter said:

A fool and their money are easily parted.

Unlike the electricity meter, screening the gas meter might well work.  The ZigBee signal is low powered and often has difficulty if the two meters aren't close together or if there is a stone wall in the way.

However, it's likely its use would break the Ts & Cs so there might be an interesting moment when the meter reader turns up...

Screening the gas meter is actually a particularly stupid idea. Whilst I would avoid having a smart gas meter fitted until I had absolutely no choice - as they are prone to many problems (unlike the electricity ones), displays failing, battery failure and so on. Preventing them from communicating might cause its comms to work harder and the battery may go flat quicker. If you have no display to read your usage, then you'll be on estimated billing which may be well over what you are actually using, so you'd be ..........ered.

MacPingu1986

Gerry1 said:

Perhaps the OP isn't too keen on all the other smart meter functionality such as having a remotely controlled Shut Off Valve together with a battery that can fail and cause the reading to increase randomly even when the supply is switched off as @MeteredOut proved?

The chance of the smart meter having a battery fault is so remote as to not even be worth thinking about. And in the incredibly rare occurrence that it might, you contact your supplier and they fix it. Exactly how if an older (and less reliable) non-smart meter develops a fault. 

Plus having the half hourly smart data before/around the time of the fault makes it much easier to see when any fault arises and show how the increases don't fit with a normal usage pattern - this makes it *easier* to detect issues or abnormal usage.

Why are shut off valves a concern?

booneruk

MacPingu1986 said:

The chance of the smart meter having a battery fault is so remote as to not even be worth thinking about. And in the incredibly rare occurrence that it might, you contact your supplier and they fix it. 

I suppose you're much more likely to spot a fault with your meter and get it corrected in a timely manner if it's not entombed in a wire mesh sack.

Gerry1

MacPingu1986 said:

The chance of the smart meter having a battery fault is so remote as to not even be worth thinking about. And in the incredibly rare occurrence that it might, you contact your supplier and they fix it. Exactly how if an older (and less reliable) non-smart meter develops a fault.

You obviously didn't read MeteredOut's tale of woe.  It's dragged on for over 18 months,  EDF didn't want to know and it still hasn't been completely resolved.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6452074/gas-meter-still-increasing-whilst-gas-isolated-siemens-landis-gyr-e6s/p1

There's no way a bellows meter could misbehave like that.

MacPingu1986 said:

Why are shut off valves a concern?

Because you can't use any gas appliances if the SOV says NO !

MultiFuelBurner

I didn't take you for one to live of social media stories but it takes all sorts.

https://fullfact.org/online/smart-meters-remote-cut-off-energy-supply/