Any Energy Providers which dont enforce smart meter

EssexHebridean

Mauldor said:

Thanks for everyone's input, I have learned a lot since starting this thread. The bottom line is once the SMETS1 meter has been registered with the DCC, its a smart meter forever. I emailed all the suppliers and they misread what I had wrote thinking I was wanting the smart meter to work as one. 

Its interesting that when a person does not want smart meters, they are met with hostility as if they wear tin foil hats and such but in this world is about choice and it seems if you want the Elec / Gas supplied - you have to have the meter. 

I had already done all the things such as set my readings to monthly, provide the meter reading online about once a week which then shows me a bill. Of course the other option is a Pay as you go meter but im not sure I want to go down that path. Of course as I pay on receipt of Bill - i pay an extra 8%, that is madness. 

I think suggesting that YOU have been met with hostility is mostly unfair. You haven’t said anything to indicate that your reason for not wanting it smart is anything other than simply wanting things to work “traditionally” - rather than readings being automated. Had you indicated that you believed in any of the ludicrous claims that are made about SM’s - ie that they emit radiation, will help people  to burgle your house or whatever, then the majority of folk would have tried to make you realise that these are simply scare stories designed to make people fear that which is unfamiliar, but you haven’t. There has been fun poked at those people for sure, but as you aren’t one of them, that “mickey taking” isn’t directed at you. 

prowla

FYI, I have old meters and submit my readings monthly.

I WFH and my gas & electric meters are in a cupboard behind my desk.

I have no desire to move to smart meters, mainly because I don't want the interruption caused by their install.

Similarly on weekends, that's "me" time, not to be spent sitting around waiting for installers to turn up.

I suppose if there are enticing reasons for having them, then I might change my position, but for now I just plain don't need one and don't need the disruption.

MacPingu1986

prowla said:

FYI, I have old meters and submit my readings monthly.

I WFH and my gas & electric meters are in a cupboard behind my desk.

I have no desire to move to smart meters, mainly because I don't want the interruption caused by their install.

Similarly on weekends, that's "me" time, not to be spent sitting around waiting for installers to turn up.

I suppose if there are enticing reasons for having them, then I might change my position, but for now I just plain don't need one and don't need the disruption.

You don't have to wait around because you book a specific appointment slot that works for you and a typical install takes an hour (when you take a lunch break, or move your desk, or read a book for a bit, or do something else etc...) - it's an hour and then you're sorted for the next 10-15 years.

This is a money saving board and there are enticing reasons to have them  - personal benefits are cheaper tariffs, easier to monitor your daily energy consumption / identifying unexpected increases (so you can make your *existing* tariff cheaper. Wider benefits are that it allows national grid to build up a more granular picture of electricity usage which helps balance the grid more effectively and cheaply.

MultiFuelBurner

prowla said:

FYI, I have old meters and submit my readings monthly.

I WFH and my gas & electric meters are in a cupboard behind my desk.

I have no desire to move to smart meters, mainly because I don't want the interruption caused by their install.

Similarly on weekends, that's "me" time, not to be spent sitting around waiting for installers to turn up.

I suppose if there are enticing reasons for having them, then I might change my position, but for now I just plain don't need one and don't need the disruption.

There have been the odd "paid to have a smart meter" from some suppliers so always worth waiting for one of those offers.

Qyburn

Mauldor said:

I pay on receipt of Bill - i pay an extra 8%, that is madness. 

It is. Why not change to variable Direct Debit?

Gerry1

EssexHebridean said:

Mauldor said:

Thanks for everyone's input, I have learned a lot since starting this thread. The bottom line is once the SMETS1 meter has been registered with the DCC, its a smart meter forever. I emailed all the suppliers and they misread what I had wrote thinking I was wanting the smart meter to work as one. 

Its interesting that when a person does not want smart meters, they are met with hostility as if they wear tin foil hats and such but in this world is about choice and it seems if you want the Elec / Gas supplied - you have to have the meter. 

I had already done all the things such as set my readings to monthly, provide the meter reading online about once a week which then shows me a bill. Of course the other option is a Pay as you go meter but im not sure I want to go down that path. Of course as I pay on receipt of Bill - i pay an extra 8%, that is madness. 

 ... the ludicrous claims that are made about SM’s - ie that they emit radiation,

@EssexHebridean How do you think the WAN sends the meter readings if it doesn't emit electromagnetic radiation?  That doesn't make it dangerous, but it's not a ludicrous claim, it's a basic fact.

TheElectricCow

Gerry1 said:

EssexHebridean said:

Mauldor said:

Thanks for everyone's input, I have learned a lot since starting this thread. The bottom line is once the SMETS1 meter has been registered with the DCC, its a smart meter forever. I emailed all the suppliers and they misread what I had wrote thinking I was wanting the smart meter to work as one. 

Its interesting that when a person does not want smart meters, they are met with hostility as if they wear tin foil hats and such but in this world is about choice and it seems if you want the Elec / Gas supplied - you have to have the meter. 

I had already done all the things such as set my readings to monthly, provide the meter reading online about once a week which then shows me a bill. Of course the other option is a Pay as you go meter but im not sure I want to go down that path. Of course as I pay on receipt of Bill - i pay an extra 8%, that is madness. 

 ... the ludicrous claims that are made about SM’s - ie that they emit radiation,

@EssexHebridean How do you think the WAN sends the meter readings if it doesn't emit electromagnetic radiation?  That doesn't make it dangerous, but it's not a ludicrous claim, it's a basic fact.

While true, there is an important distinction between the radiation emitted from the communications hub of a smart meter and, say, the ionising radiation produced from a nuclear reaction. A distinction that the social media scientists spouting the ludicrous claims typically don’t care to make.

Netexporter

TheElectricCow said:

Gerry1 said:

EssexHebridean said:

Mauldor said:

Thanks for everyone's input, I have learned a lot since starting this thread. The bottom line is once the SMETS1 meter has been registered with the DCC, its a smart meter forever. I emailed all the suppliers and they misread what I had wrote thinking I was wanting the smart meter to work as one. 

Its interesting that when a person does not want smart meters, they are met with hostility as if they wear tin foil hats and such but in this world is about choice and it seems if you want the Elec / Gas supplied - you have to have the meter. 

I had already done all the things such as set my readings to monthly, provide the meter reading online about once a week which then shows me a bill. Of course the other option is a Pay as you go meter but im not sure I want to go down that path. Of course as I pay on receipt of Bill - i pay an extra 8%, that is madness. 

 ... the ludicrous claims that are made about SM’s - ie that they emit radiation,

@EssexHebridean How do you think the WAN sends the meter readings if it doesn't emit electromagnetic radiation?  That doesn't make it dangerous, but it's not a ludicrous claim, it's a basic fact.

While true, there is an important distinction between the radiation emitted from the communications hub of a smart meter and, say, the ionising radiation produced from a nuclear reaction. A distinction that the social media scientists spouting the ludicrous claims typically don’t care to make.

Also the people with "radiation concerns" presumably spend all day on their phone looking at conspiracy theory sites. You don't normally put a smart meter to your ear.

Phones4Chris

You'd have trouble reading the conspiracy theories if you had your smart phone to your ear :rofl

Zandoni

MacPingu1986 said:

Gerry, I think you’ve misread MeteredOuts thread. The issue there didn’t have anything to do with smart meters, it related to a certain model of *non*-smart meter. The replacement smart meter worked much better and helped to show the over consumption the old dumb meter was recording. It’s literally showing the opposite of what you’re claiming.

Can you share any stats/data on the concern that smart meters are shutting off users gas supplies? I fear we are simply veering into conspiracy theory territory here that risks misinforming other readers.

I can't imagine there would ever be approval for a meter to shut off supply, that would be dangerous. All electronic meters have the potential to self increment though, smart or dumb.