Pub barring

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Bluenunn_in_the_north said:

TELLIT01 said:

If the OP was 'reasonably merry' i.e. drunk when they entered the pub they shouldn't have been served in the first place, but if pubs actually did obey the law they would probably go bust.  In answer to the OPs question any business can refuse to serve anybody.

Except on grounds of discrimination.

Except on the grounds of unlawful discrimination.

They can "discriminate" in any way they like unless the real reason is one of the handful of grounds protected by law.

outtatune

The more the OP posts here, the more I'm persuaded that the manager was absolutely right.

Ksw3

I would be quite concerned if a male stranger commented on the colour of my drink. Its often believed you can tell if a drink is spiked by change of appearance (not sure that is true), and I would find it a very strange topic of conversation unless it was a particularly flamboyant cocktail. 

Murphybear

Okell said:

Desmond_Hume said:

What colour were their drinks? You say that’s what you commented on. 

I'd love the OP to tell us what he said.

I'm trying to imagine a (slightly?) tipsy unaccompanied male initiating an uninvited conversation with some women at the bar about the colour of their drinks.

How would the conversation begin?  What would the women think in the circumstances?  Would they welcome the exchange or be a bit worried about it?

Belenus said:

Bluenunn_in_the_north said:   

I've  had false allegations before, blatantly to door staff. They immediately believe the woman without question and the ones who do it, know that.

That to me suggests a possible pattern of behaviour that you might do well to think about and modify.

MattMattMattUK said:

Bluenunn_in_the_north said:

I've  had false allegations before, blatantly to door staff. 

I have drunk in Weatherspoons, as well as plenty of other pubs and bars, I drink in them on regular occasions, for many years I would have been out 3-4 nights a week, talking to people I knew, as well as many I did not, I have never once had allegations, false or otherwise. 

I've been a committed and very enthusiastic pub and club customer for 50 years, and I've never been involved in any incidents or allegations in all that time with bar staff, security staff or other customers...

(I tell a lie.  I was once on a coach full of very drunken law students and the driver threatened to throw us all off.  But I wasn't involved in the trouble.  I was sitting at the front on my own.  It was the girls causing the trouble - honest... )

That brings back memories.  At University in London in the early 70s, our judo club had the possibly dubious reputation of being the only club that could outdrink the rugby club . 2 of the worst offenders were myself and a close friend, both female.  We rarely had to buy a drink as most of the men were old fashioned in that respect

Ditzy_Mitzy

Desmond_Hume said:

What colour were their drinks? You say that’s what you commented on. 

Off colour, presumably!  

Oddly, however, this thread has prompted me to remember having a conversation with some friends, recently, about the colour of another punter's drink.  We were in an establishment serving craft beer (not to myself, I hasten to add - I can't stand the stuff and drink shorts), and said punter, a stranger, bought a tin of blue beer.  Bright blue.  When poured, it looked like fabric conditioner or screen-wash.  I said as much to my friends, but didn't mention it to Captain Bluebeer.  He might have been offended!  

Bluenunn_in_the_north

oldernonethewiser said:

Bluenunn_in_the_north said:

oldernonethewiser said:

One person's "reasonably merry" is another's "obnoxious drunk"

Drink (less) elsewhere

It was end of year shindig, I hear what you say but kept myself to myself, last one on way home..

Thanks

Apart from speaking to a group of girls and commenting on their drinks.

Now, now. I meant after I got served and talking to people in a social setting is normal human behaviour, that's what pubs are for...

Bluenunn_in_the_north

Pollycat said:

Bluenunn_in_the_north said:

GingerTim said:

Bluenunn_in_the_north said:

Hi

Just a quick query about the legal, and practical, position I'm in after a visit to my High Street pub.

So I went to this pub a couple of nights ago, reasonably merry when I went. I went to the bar and ordered a cider. There were 3 women next to me and I had a quick chat about their drink.

I went and sat down and finished the drink and returned to the bar to order another.

Utterly unexpectedly the manager said I 'said something sexual' without elaborating and barred me for 6 months.  She didn’t think  even tell me what I was alleged to have said and to whom.

I didn’t say anything of the kind. I know all pubs are private premises but it seems to me that she took someone else's word and determined a course of action without even asking me anything.

I feel it was a little misandric. How can it be acceptable to bar someone without any elaboration?

Just interested out of curiosity that I may be being discriminated against.

Thanks

If you were already 'reasonably merry' when you arrived at the pub surely it's entirely conceivable you may have said something untoward?

I would not expect the manager to identify the complainant, particularly if it was a woman, for quite obvious reasons.

Misandric? Give over.

I know who the complainant was as I only talked to one group of girls at the bar about the colour of their drinks.

I'm  always polite and some weird sexual comment isn't me. 

In hindsight I should have found them and checked the veracity of what they said.

Is it possible I said something I don't  recall, probably  less than 1% chance as I was lucid. I was cycling!

Misandry, see the above thought experiment. I've had it done before, so you're wrong.

Thanks for the input.

Cycling!
Whilst being merry?
Really?
The height of stupidity.
Think total lucky that the worst thing that happened to you was you got battered from a pub for 6 months.

As for the 'in hindsight I should have found them...', I think you're very lucky that your hindsight didn't kick in.

3 pints for a 6ft 4 inch fit guy is utterly irrelevant to cycling safety, with all due respect. I've thought about it now and I don't think my comment was anything to do with the girls at the bar.

I think she mis-heard me at my table. It was extremely  loud in there. Just annoying I had no explanation.

Bluenunn_in_the_north

Belenus said:

Bluenunn_in_the_north said:   

I've  had false allegations before, blatantly to door staff. They immediately believe the woman without question and the ones who do it, know that.

That to me suggests a possible pattern of behaviour that you might do well to think about and modify.

O right, so you're just disbelieving what I said, based on your intuition and the alignment of stars, doesn't really assist the discussion when you reject information from the person who had the actual experience does it. Why would I lie to strangers on a forum, I'm not that sad and insecure.

Bluenunn_in_the_north

annabanana82 said:

I have a female relative that was barred from a wetherspoons for saying something inappropriate to a male customer so I don't think there is a case for discrimination.

What did she say out of interest?

Incidentally, I was sexually assaulted in there early last year by a man. I didn't even report it as he was no threat. Perhaps I should have.

Bluenunn_in_the_north

Belenus said:

Some people might consider being barred from a Wetherspoons to be a good thing.    

Good one😉😁😆