Pub barring

Bluenunn_in_the_north

Hi

Just a quick query about the legal, and practical, position I'm in after a visit to my High Street pub.

So I went to this pub a couple of nights ago, reasonably merry when I went. I went to the bar and ordered a cider. There were 3 women next to me and I had a quick chat about their drink.

I went and sat down and finished the drink and returned to the bar to order another.

Utterly unexpectedly the manager said I 'said something sexual' without elaborating and barred me for 6 months.  She didn’t think  even tell me what I was alleged to have said and to whom.

I didn’t say anything of the kind. I know all pubs are private premises but it seems to me that she took someone else's word and determined a course of action without even asking me anything.

I feel it was a little misandric. How can it be acceptable to bar someone without any elaboration?

Just interested out of curiosity that I may be being discriminated against.

Thanks

marcia_

Bluenunn_in_the_north said:

Hi

Just a quick query about the legal, and practical, position I'm in after a visit to my High Street pub.

So I went to this pub a couple of nights ago, reasonably merry when I went. I went to the bar and ordered a cider. There were 3 women next to me and I had a quick chat about their drink.

I went and sat down and finished the drink and returned to the bar to order another.

Utterly unexpectedly the manager said I 'said something sexual' without elaborating and barred me for 6 months.  She didn’t think  even tell me what I was alleged to have said and to whom.

I didn’t say anything of the kind. I know all pubs are private premises but it seems to me that she took someone else's word and determined a course of action without even asking me anything.

I feel it was a little misandric. How can it be acceptable to bar someone without any elaboration?

Just interested out of curiosity that I may be being discriminated against.

Thanks

 Like any business they can refuse you service that includes removal from their premises if they don't want your custom. 

 They can't do this for discriminatory reasons, sex, religion, gender, disability, age etc but I fail to see how that applies here. 

RefluentBeans

And why do you feel you’re being discriminated against? 

outtatune

This you?

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/80223363/#Comment_80223363

GingerTim

Bluenunn_in_the_north said:

Hi

Just a quick query about the legal, and practical, position I'm in after a visit to my High Street pub.

So I went to this pub a couple of nights ago, reasonably merry when I went. I went to the bar and ordered a cider. There were 3 women next to me and I had a quick chat about their drink.

I went and sat down and finished the drink and returned to the bar to order another.

Utterly unexpectedly the manager said I 'said something sexual' without elaborating and barred me for 6 months.  She didn’t think  even tell me what I was alleged to have said and to whom.

I didn’t say anything of the kind. I know all pubs are private premises but it seems to me that she took someone else's word and determined a course of action without even asking me anything.

I feel it was a little misandric. How can it be acceptable to bar someone without any elaboration?

Just interested out of curiosity that I may be being discriminated against.

Thanks

If you were already 'reasonably merry' when you arrived at the pub surely it's entirely conceivable you may have said something untoward?

I would not expect the manager to identify the complainant, particularly if it was a woman, for quite obvious reasons.

Misandric? Give over.

oldernonethewiser

One person's "reasonably merry" is another's "obnoxious drunk"

Drink (less) elsewhere

Aylesbury_Duck

By your own admission you were already intoxicated, so how can you be sure about exactly what you said and how it was said, let alone judge the manager's motivation?   

What do you think you actually said to the other customers?

user1977

Misandric? Well, yes I suppose you could pursue a case for sex discrimination. I expect the vast majority of customers they’ve barred for sexually harassing other customers are men - that seems like cast iron evidence in your favour. 

Let us know when the court case reaches the local paper…


Seriously though, they don’t need to give you any detail or reason. What made you think they would, given you already seem to accept the principle?

Pollycat

I really doubt that the manager is misandric.

Being 'reasonably merry' by your own admission, I'd guess you probably did say something that caused offence.

It may be that she (or other bar staff) overheard your comments and didn't take someone else's word for what you said that caused offence. You were stood at the bar, after all.

Depending on your attitude when you left, I'd pop back and apologise for any offence you caused and ask if she'll lift the ban.
Of course, if you came over as aggressive or spouted your 'misandric/discriminatory nonsense, it probably won't do any good.

Is anyone else getting a little tired of all this 'I'm being discriminated against' type of posts?
I'm not disputing that there is a lot of real discrimination going on that needs to be called out, but really...?
A female manager who has an extreme dislike of males...?

TELLIT01

If the OP was 'reasonably merry' i.e. drunk when they entered the pub they shouldn't have been served in the first place, but if pubs actually did obey the law they would probably go bust.  In answer to the OPs question any business can refuse to serve anybody.

MattMattMattUK

Bluenunn_in_the_north said:

Hi

Just a quick query about the legal, and practical, position I'm in after a visit to my High Street pub.

So I went to this pub a couple of nights ago, reasonably merry when I went. I went to the bar and ordered a cider. There were 3 women next to me and I had a quick chat about their drink.

I went and sat down and finished the drink and returned to the bar to order another.

Utterly unexpectedly the manager said I 'said something sexual' without elaborating and barred me for 6 months.  She didn’t think  even tell me what I was alleged to have said and to whom.

I didn’t say anything of the kind. I know all pubs are private premises but it seems to me that she took someone else's word and determined a course of action without even asking me anything.

I feel it was a little misandric. How can it be acceptable to bar someone without any elaboration?

Just interested out of curiosity that I may be being discriminated against.

Thanks

As an ex pub manager I would say the fact that you have immediately gone to those as the reason you were barred are highly indicative of a kind of person who does not normally recognise when their behaviour has passed the threshold of unacceptable. Barring is rare for a one off incident unless is extreme, normally people would get a slap on the wrist and sent home for the night. Is there more to this than you are perhaps letting on?