PCN - UKPC - ZZPS - GCTT (Scotland) help

ZeldaMayCry

UPDATE

Got a letter today from GCTT saying if I don't pay £170 within 7 days, it will transfer to QDR who will add extra to my fine.  £170+ for staying 13 minutes over the 1 hour limit, they know the reason I take longer is because I'm disabled & they don't care. Even if this goes to court, I doubt they'll make me pay the full £170, if anything at all.  

ZeldaMayCry

fisherjim said:

UKPC are a bunch of scammers that have hit on a way of frightening people into paying them money, they operate in an unregulated industry they are so dodgy they used to have at least three postal addresses one was a sorting office at Hillingdon, one was a newsagent near Denham and their claimed HQ was a fake address in Coventry.

Yet I used to live near their actual HQ in Beaconsfield, I believe they have now moved to Wooburn nearby.

You see they are so dodgy they don't want you to know where they even operate from.

Don't contact them or their equally dodgy debt collectors, but wait for any official looking paperwork and come back here, nothing to fret about they won't go anywhere near a court in Scotland, they mainly only make threats in England and Wales.

They are just old school bullies that have been overcome with greed and their own sense of self importance they have no scruples, and they are not in any way an authority, don't let them bully you, you are now amongst friends on here.

I appreciate that, everyone here has helped ease my anxiety quite a bit, I suffer from mental and physical disabilities so I appreciate the help from everyone!

Fruitcake

ZeldaMayCry said:

UPDATE

Got a letter today from GCTT saying if I don't pay £170 within 7 days, it will transfer to QDR who will add extra to my fine.  £170+ for staying 13 minutes over the 1 hour limit, they know the reason I take longer is because I'm disabled & they don't care. Even if this goes to court, I doubt they'll make me pay the full £170, if anything at all.  

It is not a fine. Debt collectors are powerless across the whole of the UK and can safely be ignored. In any case, claims for less than £300 cannot be made through the Scottish courts, so a PPC is never going to attempt a claim for an individual PCN because it would be thrown out.

Umkomaas

ZeldaMayCry said:

UPDATE

Got a letter today from GCTT saying if I don't pay £170 within 7 days, it will transfer to QDR who will add extra to my fine.  £170+ for staying 13 minutes over the 1 hour limit, they know the reason I take longer is because I'm disabled & they don't care. Even if this goes to court, I doubt they'll make me pay the full £170, if anything at all.  

Seen that numerous times. Template frightener. Ignore it.

patient_dream

ZeldaMayCry said:

UPDATE

Got a letter today from GCTT saying if I don't pay £170 within 7 days, it will transfer to QDR who will add extra to my fine.  £170+ for staying 13 minutes over the 1 hour limit, they know the reason I take longer is because I'm disabled & they don't care. Even if this goes to court, I doubt they'll make me pay the full £170, if anything at all.  

DO NOT FALL FOR THE RUBBISH OF  GCTT
This IS ZZPS doing a WONGA ..... GCTT IS ZZPS

ZZPS is the great OSNER SCAM which is approved by the scam club called the BPA

QDR ????   just a feeble offshoot of the disgraced Wright Hassall solicitors

TO ALL THREE OF THESE COMPLETE FOOLS ....
IT'S SCOTLAND ...... WAKEY WAKEY

Coupon-mad

ZeldaMayCry said:

UPDATE

Got a letter today from GCTT saying if I don't pay £170 within 7 days, it will transfer to QDR who will add extra to my fine.  £170+ for staying 13 minutes over the 1 hour limit, they know the reason I take longer is because I'm disabled & they don't care.

It is illegal to hold you to the same free parking time limit as able-bodied motorists.

Have you told your local MP about this?

ZeldaMayCry

Coupon-mad said:

ZeldaMayCry said:

UPDATE

Got a letter today from GCTT saying if I don't pay £170 within 7 days, it will transfer to QDR who will add extra to my fine.  £170+ for staying 13 minutes over the 1 hour limit, they know the reason I take longer is because I'm disabled & they don't care.

It is illegal to hold you to the same free parking time limit as able-bodied motorists.

Have you told your local MP about this?

Is it actually illegal? I had no idea. Should I take it to my MP?

Coupon-mad

Yes of course it's illegal.  Harassment of a disabled person is also a specific offence in Scotland.  But this is basic stuff:

Failure to make a 'reasonable adjustment' when they KNOW your need for more time was entirely because of your disability, breaches the Equality Act 2010 (which replaced the DDA mentioned in this old article explaining the illegality):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8488737.stm#:~:text=The%20UK's%20big%20supermarkets%20are,face%20penalty%20charges%20for%20overstaying.

Of course you involve your MP to support you in this complaint.  There should be a complaint to the landowner or retailer as well as the parking firm.  They are all liable for a clear breach of the Equality Act 2010.

fixitsan

I'm on my second GCTT letter.

"Certificated Enforcement Agents" is a title you can only use if that name is registered correctly and a £10,000 bond has been paid

GCTT is not a certificated enforcement agent, but Gary Osner's ZZPS Ltd is.

Gary Osner is also a Director of The BPA, I looked him up at companies house.

So we have Gary Osner operating under GCTT, and fraudulently claiming that GCTT is a certificated enforcement agent, when it clearly is not. To register himself as an agent for GCTT it looks like he needs to pay a further £10,000 to the same London court he already uses, and register with a new form stating he is operating under GCTT as well as ZZPS Ltd using form EAC1

The registration process for an enforcement agent is very clear and the company name for GCTT must match the company name which G.Osoer used when achieving accreditation, but Osner has used only ZZPS Ltd

GCTT is also not a limited company, which means there is no limit to it's liabilities.

I think there is fraud or at least misrepresentation to be considered here

The list of the ONLY authourised enforcement agents in the UK is available here (link not allowed, new member)  certificatedbailiffs<dot>justice<dot>gov<dot>uk/

Form EAC1, application to be an enforcement officer, has a specific requirement  which is that Osner must list any company which he wishes the licence to cover. He has not done this, or presumably it would be noted in the list of registered certificed enforcement officers...EAC1

I haven't spent much time looking more deeply into GCTT, but it is not a registered company with Companies House (only ZZPS Ltd is), nor does GCTT have an enforcement agent certificate.

I could be peeing into the wind here and there may exist a loophole allowing him to operate as an uncertificated enforcement company, which is not even an incorporated company. (Limited, Ltd etc), but something about that doesn't seem right.

I guess I'm questioning the legality of his operation in it's currently documented form. I would have at least expected to be able to find GCTT mentioned on the official list of enforcement agents, as that is what is claimed in the heading of every letter he sends out

Coupon-mad

You could try a complaint to CIVEA.

And out of interest, the new Enforcement Conduct Board published their list of accredited bailiffs recently:

https://enforcementconductboard.org/directory/

They are allowing all companies to register for the first year, then they are planning to start checking on their compliance.