Parking Code evidence - your images of private parking signs are needed please!

Coupon-mad

Yes: tiny print & not quantified. No deterrent value, not seen or agreed and no way to calculate it.

Coupon-mad

Eype Beach Car Park:

Euro Car Parks ridiculously wordy sign from this post about a news article:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81696195/#Comment_81696195



Takes minutes to even find the term about the £100 PCN, and the small print is illegible.

There's nothing to inform the driver about the added £70 'late fee' or whatever they call it these days to try to fly under the MHCLG's radar and mislead the government into allowing this rip-off.

No deterrent value in the added extortion and no contractual agreement to pay anything more than the headline tariffs ... and possibly the £100 but only if a judge was satisfied that sign & term is prominent. Arguably not!

emcwill

This is a Parking Eye sign in Milton Country Park near Cambridge. They are so high from the ground that at 5’3 I had to hold my arms really high and could still hardly capture it up close. Look at the size of that font at the bottom! I could barely read any of it squinting!

Coupon-mad

emcwill said:

This is a Parking Eye sign in Milton Country Park near Cambridge. They are so high from the ground that at 5’3 I had to hold my arms really high and could still hardly capture it up close. Look at the size of that font at the bottom! I could barely read any of it squinting!

Yep, whilst the £100 in a bold box and larger font passes the 'ParkingEye v Beavis' test of prominence, if there is anything in that small print saying the usual 'additional charges may apply' there's zero chance if reading it let alone knowing how to calculate the 'late' price term.

Yet the industry tell us that the added £70 extortion is to 'deter non payment of the PCN'! How?

Coupon-mad

PCM sign on this thread actually specifies the added £70 extortion, very rare:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81696391/#Comment_81696391



...but it fails as 'part of the contract' because the £70 is in very very small, high up on a pole and impossible to see even in daylight. Imagine it at night!

The £100 is large but that's the only price term that is remotely readable by a driver.

Also - if you zoom in, which a driver can't - it says the £70 is for 'costs incurred for debt recovery' but we all know those are zero because the DRAs all offer 'no win no fee' and the files are transferred in bulk by Zatpark software which the provider (Unity5) advertises as 'no human input' needed.

Fruitcake

Clevedon Medical Centre, Somerset.

This sign is on the wall of a house about a metre beyond a garden wall, (see Google Streetview link) so a motorist could be excused for thinking it does not apply to the car park.

Clevedon, England - Google Maps





It is unclear as to whom the the contract is between, but use of the words, "all persons parking" implies it is only with the driver.

The font is tiny, the signs are high up, and some of them are obscured by foliage.

There is mention of additional admin fee charges of £50, plus additional undefined court/collection cost amounts.

Umkomaas

👆👆 Perky's!

Car1980

State of the double negative contortions on that.

Coupon-mad

Fruitcake said:

Clevedon Medical Centre, Somerset.

This sign is on the wall of a house about a metre beyond a garden wall, (see Google Streetview link) so a motorist could be excused for thinking it does not apply to the car park.
Clevedon, England - Google Maps



It is unclear as to whom the the contract is between, but use of the words, "all persons parking" implies it is only with the driver.

The font is tiny, the signs are high up, and some of them are obscured by foliage.

There is mention of additional admin fee charges of £50, plus additional undefined court/collection cost amounts.

It's likely based on an 'agreed offer' and price terms phrased like this one in the Perky court claim case:

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6621161/claim-form-from-cps-combined-parking-solutions/p4

Interested to see that the one at Clevedon Medical Centre, Somerset doesn't have the IPC logos though.

Also interesting that CPS offer the £100 and added £50 as a price term, so if they win in court the judge can't disallow it. They must be the only PPC fully complying with consumer law on their signs by stating these clearly as agreed charges. Very very unusual.

Car1980

I don't think that I'll ever be convinced that "permission to breach" masquerading as an offer in the small print is a legimate workaround 😀