EV Discussion thread

MikeJXE

1961Nick said:

This is the efficiency of my TM3P over the past 12 months measured at the meter (Miles/kWh): May 3.35

June3.15

July 3.17

Aug 3.25

Sept 3.11

Oct  2.14

Nov  2.65

Dec 2.49

Jan  2.47

Feb  3.00

Mar  2.56

APR 3.34 The efficiency from the battery ranges from +9% in winter to +6% in summer.

How does the true cost per mile work out against my Jag over 4 years being average 10p per mile. ? 

Martyn1981

MikeJXE said:

1961Nick said:

This is the efficiency of my TM3P over the past 12 months measured at the meter (Miles/kWh): May 3.35

June3.15

July 3.17

Aug 3.25

Sept 3.11

Oct  2.14

Nov  2.65

Dec 2.49

Jan  2.47

Feb  3.00

Mar  2.56

APR 3.34 The efficiency from the battery ranges from +9% in winter to +6% in summer.

How does the true cost per mile work out against my Jag over 4 years being average 10p per mile. ? 

Around 2p to 2.5p/mile.

Do you average 70mpg?

JKenH

MikeJXE said:

1961Nick said:

This is the efficiency of my TM3P over the past 12 months measured at the meter (Miles/kWh): May 3.35

June3.15

July 3.17

Aug 3.25

Sept 3.11

Oct  2.14

Nov  2.65

Dec 2.49

Jan  2.47

Feb  3.00

Mar  2.56

APR 3.34 The efficiency from the battery ranges from +9% in winter to +6% in summer.

How does the true cost per mile work out against my Jag over 4 years being average 10p per mile. ? 

I believe Nick does all his charging at home on Intelligent Octopus at 7.5p/kWh. 

Nicks worst month would have cost him 3.5p/mile and his best 2.2p/mile. The thing about EVs is that while the cost per mile may vary significantly in % terms (in Nick’s case 56%) depending on temperature and driving style, the difference between very poor and very good consumption is only about 1.5p/mile. My Golf costs me about 12p/mile but if my consumption increased by 50% (say I was crawling through London) the additional cost per mile would be 6p. 

Grumpy_chap

JKenH said:

I believe Nick does all his charging at home on Intelligent Octopus at 7.5p/kWh. 

Nicks worst month would have cost him 3.5p/mile and his best 2.2p/mile. The thing about EVs is that while the cost per mile may vary significantly in % terms (in Nick’s case 56%) depending on temperature and driving style, the difference between very poor and very good consumption is only about 1.5p/mile. My Golf costs me about 12p/mile but if my consumption increased by 50% (say I was crawling through London) the additional cost per mile would be 6p. 

Remember, also, that Nick has the TM3-P, so his energy cost should be compared with the Jaguar XE R-Sport or the Golf R, whereas I have the milder TM3 so that would be a fairer comparison to more everyday versions of the XE or Golf.

Martyn1981

Grumpy_chap said:

JKenH said:

I believe Nick does all his charging at home on Intelligent Octopus at 7.5p/kWh. 

Nicks worst month would have cost him 3.5p/mile and his best 2.2p/mile. The thing about EVs is that while the cost per mile may vary significantly in % terms (in Nick’s case 56%) depending on temperature and driving style, the difference between very poor and very good consumption is only about 1.5p/mile. My Golf costs me about 12p/mile but if my consumption increased by 50% (say I was crawling through London) the additional cost per mile would be 6p. 

Remember, also, that Nick has the TM3-P, so his energy cost should be compared with the Jaguar XE R-Sport or the Golf R, whereas I have the milder TM3 so that would be a fairer comparison to more everyday versions of the XE or Golf.

That was my thinking, some of us poor Tesla souls only have 250-400Bhp, it's a hard life. 

My average Wh/mile went up about 20 after downloading the extra ~100bhp on the TM3 LR, but I take full responsibility for that, and the big grin on my face when pushing the Go pedal hard.

I see from the logbook, the Y is about the same, with a rating of ~370kW, but I may have grown up a bit now and no plans to max that out. Plus, she's a taller girl, with a chassis about 3in higher, to throw round the corners, not like the electric go-kart 3.

michaels

MikeJXE said:

1961Nick said:

This is the efficiency of my TM3P over the past 12 months measured at the meter (Miles/kWh): May 3.35

June3.15

July 3.17

Aug 3.25

Sept 3.11

Oct  2.14

Nov  2.65

Dec 2.49

Jan  2.47

Feb  3.00

Mar  2.56

APR 3.34 The efficiency from the battery ranges from +9% in winter to +6% in summer.

How does the true cost per mile work out against my Jag over 4 years being average 10p per mile. ? 

You are way ahead of the most efficient car tested by fleet news - are you driving Miss Daisy?

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/real-world-tests-reveal-cars-with-best-and-worse-mpg-fuel-economy

MikeJXE

michaels said:

MikeJXE said:

1961Nick said:

This is the efficiency of my TM3P over the past 12 months measured at the meter (Miles/kWh): May 3.35

June3.15

July 3.17

Aug 3.25

Sept 3.11

Oct  2.14

Nov  2.65

Dec 2.49

Jan  2.47

Feb  3.00

Mar  2.56

APR 3.34 The efficiency from the battery ranges from +9% in winter to +6% in summer.

How does the true cost per mile work out against my Jag over 4 years being average 10p per mile. ? 

You are way ahead of the most efficient car tested by fleet news - are you driving Miss Daisy?

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/real-world-tests-reveal-cars-with-best-and-worse-mpg-fuel-economy

I have logged all my expenses since I bought the car 30th December 2019

Every Ltr is logged at the pump, mileage, Ltr, cost, 

I have it serviced every year not every 20'000 miles , my average milage is 6,000

No idea what Miss Daisy is, I drive within speed limits most of the time although I have a speed awareness course for doing 84 in a 70 on the A14

1961Nick

MikeJXE said:

1961Nick said:

This is the efficiency of my TM3P over the past 12 months measured at the meter (Miles/kWh): May 3.35

June3.15

July 3.17

Aug 3.25

Sept 3.11

Oct  2.14

Nov  2.65

Dec 2.49

Jan  2.47

Feb  3.00

Mar  2.56

APR 3.34 The efficiency from the battery ranges from +9% in winter to +6% in summer.

How does the true cost per mile work out against my Jag over 4 years being average 10p per mile. ? 

Cost for 2023...

9252 miles cost £255.40.... 2.76p/mile ( measured at the meter).

So far this year it's 2.67p/mile (fewer pre-conditions & I stopped Octopus doing multiple charges during the 6 hour off peak window).

Reed_Richards

MikeJXE said:

No idea what Miss Daisy is, I drive within speed limits most of the time although I have a speed awareness course for doing 84 in a 70 on the A14

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ3wXC5jqKE

JKenH

Ahead of the release of SMMT registration statistics due today is this very bullish article from the co-founder of MyEnergi (maker of the Zappi). While he makes a valid point (often raised by Nick) that SalSac sales are replacing sales to private buyers, I believe he is being a little optimistic expecting EV sales to grow by 27% this year. Yes they probably will grow significantly in numerical terms but, despite heavy discounting, they are still not showing any real signs of increasing market share significantly over 2023 levels which is the real indicator of growth. I am expecting to see volume growth in April in the EV market except for Tesla who are continuing to lose market share. We will see shortly. 

EV’s aren’t dead, so why are we in mourning?

This is where the crux of the problem in reporting on EV markets lies: EV sales and market share are up—the 2024 forecast from the SMMT is a 27% increase in EV (BEV and PHEV)  registrations compared with 2023—and ICE sales and market share are down, but because fewer private buyers bought EVs in January and February (notoriously tight months for middle-income earners), many media outlets have spelled this the end of EVs.

While the UK is behind initially estimated trajectories for the private buyers’ market, businesses and leasing companies are buying up EVs in their droves, and many of these are ending up as essentially private cars by salary sacrifice schemes, which allow employees to lease an EV via salary deduction at very attractive rates.

https://www.automotiveworld.com/articles/evs-arent-dead-so-why-are-we-in-mourning/