EV Discussion thread

Magnitio

JKenH said:

So, one of the leading YouTube anti EVers has come clean, at last. 

https://youtu.be/a0ID3EcUzTc?si=gKGztLZVRyMyR5yH

Very ethical.

JKenH

Magnitio said:

JKenH said:

So, one of the leading YouTube anti EVers has come clean, at last. 

https://youtu.be/a0ID3EcUzTc?si=gKGztLZVRyMyR5yH

Very ethical.

Isn’t it ethical to come clean? 

Netexporter

I didn't click that clickbait, when I saw it the other day. I assumed he's quoting some CAPSLOCK  COMMENT he's received. 

JKenH

Here’s Big Dave’s take on why OEMs lost money on EVs over the past few years (15:05) but now want to manufacture EVs in preference to ICE cars - they make no money on ICE cars (21:55).

https://youtu.be/ijWkKTU-rYY?si=y1XR-5L-OoWfFlhI

Magnitio

JKenH said:

Magnitio said:

JKenH said:

So, one of the leading YouTube anti EVers has come clean, at last. 

https://youtu.be/a0ID3EcUzTc?si=gKGztLZVRyMyR5yH

Very ethical.

Isn’t it ethical to come clean? 

But he's not coming clean. He makes money out of controversial videos and the more extreme the headline, the more people will watch it. He feeds the anti-Ev crowd and benefits from the heated debates that occur in the comments section. It's almost getting as bad as Trump politics.

JKenH

Magnitio said:

JKenH said:

Magnitio said:

JKenH said:

So, one of the leading YouTube anti EVers has come clean, at last. 

https://youtu.be/a0ID3EcUzTc?si=gKGztLZVRyMyR5yH

Very ethical.

Isn’t it ethical to come clean? 

But he's not coming clean. He makes money out of controversial videos and the more extreme the headline, the more people will watch it. He feeds the anti-Ev crowd and benefits from the heated debates that occur in the comments section. It's almost getting as bad as Trump politics.

I think you meant Trump/Biden politics. What is or is not objectionable depends on one’s point of view. 

Big Dave and other pro EV channels also seek to whip up partisan feelings, with the profound belief that they are right and any one anti EV is wrong, misguided, deluded, stupid or whatever. At least the anti EV channels focus their criticism on EVs (the cars/infrastructure) whereas pro EV channels seem to focus their criticisms on people who don’t like EVs and have dreamed up the invisible bogey man - the EV Hater! That’s why the comments sections on pro EV sites are full of ironic comments about EVs catching fire, needing a new battery every five years etc. EV owners making such comments are convinced the world is against them and if there aren’t anti EV comments to challenge they make them up.  Being unable to countenance criticism of EVs theyneed the bogeymen like the imaginary EV Haters and the oil companies funding them.

It seems the way of new ideologies. Proponents of a progressive point of view champion their cause. Opponents point out the weakness in the cause being championed. Personal attacks and name calling then rain down on the opponent and when opposition to the new cause gains momentum efforts are made to silence the opponents. Witness the attempts by Kryton and Quentin Wilson to shut down debate on EVs by running to the government and labelling anything that does not support their case as misinformation and unethical. Not dissimilar to the trans debate. 

The MacMaster video I linked satirises the conspiracy theories of the ardent EV enthusiasts like Kryton, Wilson et al who are so blinkered that they cannot see any other explanation for the stalling of EV sales other than some conspiracy of vested interests. Maybe, just maybe, the EV offering (not the cars but the whole package)  is still not quite good enough for the majority to ditch their ICE cars and that is why EV sales are stalling. If we are only prepared to look at it from our own point of view, the tendency will inevitably be to conclude that the 85% of people buying new cars are acting illogically. Maybe turn it round and try and see why the majority still favour ICE cars. It might not be that they are delusional or subject of some grand conspiracy but actually, having considered their options, decided for their personal situation ICE is still the way to go. Remember all the surveys over the last few years have indicated substantial numbers of people would consider an EV as their next car but when it came to the crunch they considered it and decided against. 

Edit: having levelled the charge that The MacMaster “makes money out of controversial videos”,  have you considered that those behind other pro EV outlets like Fully Charged/Fair Charge might also be in this for reasons other than pure altruism?

JKenH

A post discussing the need for a queuing system at charging stations. This perhaps is not a problem at the moment and maybe won’t be for most drivers. I recognise that it will be quite easy to dismiss this as scaremongering if one is minded to do so. However the possibility of this happening or even becoming a regular issue will perhaps prey on the minds of some of us. 

Charging Stations Need A Plan & Not Random Kindness For Busy Times

It turns out that a lot of other Tesla drivers had a similar idea, and he wasn’t able to pull in and charge like he had hoped. Interestingly enough, a man walked up to him and said that there was already a system in place and that he was #35 in line. An hour later, he was now #18 and #12 was charging. The guy who had been managing the queue then asked him if he could take over, and he later passed it on to somebody else.

The challenge at that point was to watch out for two entrances, which made it difficult to see who showed up when and give the right person the right number to be fair. By the time he could leave, he ended up giving away #89! People started donating pieces of paper to get as high as #120, with 100 cars waiting.

https://cleantechnica.com/2024/04/27/charging-stations-need-a-plan-not-random-kindness-for-busy-times/

michaels

JKenH said:

A post discussing the need for a queuing system at charging stations. This perhaps is not a problem at the moment and maybe won’t be for most drivers. I recognise that it will be quite easy to dismiss this as scaremongering if one is minded to do so. However the possibility of this happening or even becoming a regular issue will perhaps prey on the minds of some of us. 

Charging Stations Need A Plan & Not Random Kindness For Busy Times

It turns out that a lot of other Tesla drivers had a similar idea, and he wasn’t able to pull in and charge like he had hoped. Interestingly enough, a man walked up to him and said that there was already a system in place and that he was #35 in line. An hour later, he was now #18 and #12 was charging. The guy who had been managing the queue then asked him if he could take over, and he later passed it on to somebody else.

The challenge at that point was to watch out for two entrances, which made it difficult to see who showed up when and give the right person the right number to be fair. By the time he could leave, he ended up giving away #89! People started donating pieces of paper to get as high as #120, with 100 cars waiting.

https://cleantechnica.com/2024/04/27/charging-stations-need-a-plan-not-random-kindness-for-busy-times/

Agree - it used to be bad enough picking the wrong line at the petrol station but EVs are worse.  For me a bugbear is that in many places there are CCS only chargers and CCS and Chademo joint chargers but nothing to even suggest to CCS drivers that they should use the CCS only if there is a choice in order to leave the combo ones for chademo drivers who have no choice.

shinytop

JKenH said:

A post discussing the need for a queuing system at charging stations. This perhaps is not a problem at the moment and maybe won’t be for most drivers. I recognise that it will be quite easy to dismiss this as scaremongering if one is minded to do so. However the possibility of this happening or even becoming a regular issue will perhaps prey on the minds of some of us. 

Charging Stations Need A Plan & Not Random Kindness For Busy Times

It turns out that a lot of other Tesla drivers had a similar idea, and he wasn’t able to pull in and charge like he had hoped. Interestingly enough, a man walked up to him and said that there was already a system in place and that he was #35 in line. An hour later, he was now #18 and #12 was charging. The guy who had been managing the queue then asked him if he could take over, and he later passed it on to somebody else.

The challenge at that point was to watch out for two entrances, which made it difficult to see who showed up when and give the right person the right number to be fair. By the time he could leave, he ended up giving away #89! People started donating pieces of paper to get as high as #120, with 100 cars waiting.

https://cleantechnica.com/2024/04/27/charging-stations-need-a-plan-not-random-kindness-for-busy-times/

Here's a plan I just thought of.  Build more charging stations so that queuing isn't necessary.

silvercar

shinytop said:

JKenH said:

A post discussing the need for a queuing system at charging stations. This perhaps is not a problem at the moment and maybe won’t be for most drivers. I recognise that it will be quite easy to dismiss this as scaremongering if one is minded to do so. However the possibility of this happening or even becoming a regular issue will perhaps prey on the minds of some of us. 

Charging Stations Need A Plan & Not Random Kindness For Busy Times

It turns out that a lot of other Tesla drivers had a similar idea, and he wasn’t able to pull in and charge like he had hoped. Interestingly enough, a man walked up to him and said that there was already a system in place and that he was #35 in line. An hour later, he was now #18 and #12 was charging. The guy who had been managing the queue then asked him if he could take over, and he later passed it on to somebody else.

The challenge at that point was to watch out for two entrances, which made it difficult to see who showed up when and give the right person the right number to be fair. By the time he could leave, he ended up giving away #89! People started donating pieces of paper to get as high as #120, with 100 cars waiting.

https://cleantechnica.com/2024/04/27/charging-stations-need-a-plan-not-random-kindness-for-busy-times/

Here's a plan I just thought of.  Build more charging stations so that queuing isn't necessary.

Tesla sent stewards to south Mimms and a couple of other places over the Christmas period. They are now in the process of installing further chargers on the site.