EV Discussion thread

1961Nick

Grumpy_chap said:

JKenH said:

Meanwhile, replacing a door handle on a Tesla Model S is almost £670 according to the MotorEasy data – the retractable feature being controlled by an electric motor – while a simple door handle on an Audi Q7 comes in at around £245.

How does that cost to repair the motorised retractable door handle on the TMS compare to the similar motorised retractable door handle on the Velar?

Solarchaser said:

The right are dead against being moved off ice, no-one likes change, but add in old white rich men and it becomes "I won't change" and instead they pay people to halt or stall the change in multiple ways.

I'm not sure that resistance can really be shown to any political bent or any specific sub-set and trying to do so is likely not conducive to moving the argument forwards.

Don't "old, white, rich men" seek to have the latest thing to show their success?  Much the same as any other segment of society.

A door lock solenoid for a Jaguar or Landrover costs £550 fitted at a main dealer. About half that at an Indy.

JKenH

Interesting that a discussion of car parts prices degenerates into a Left vs Right argument. As @Grumpy_chap says, it’s not conducive to moving things forward. The point of the thread was to allow posts both pro and con EVs. We already have an EV cheerleading thread so it is inevitable that the bad news stories will end up here.

The bottom line is we don’t know how EV reliability will compare to ICE reliability so any speculation about which cars are cheaper to keep on the road long term is premature but that has not stopped claims that EVs will cost less to maintain than ICE cars. I do know the one failure I have suffered on a car that cost over £1k to repair was electronic. As EVs become more commonplace there will be an increasing number of companies providing aftermarket parts for repair but until then the cost of EV parts may be higher.

Given the numbers on the road one would expect that aftermarket components for Tesla would be the first to appear but will software lock out the use of anything other than genuine Tesla parts for anything that needs to talk to the computers onboard?

Solarchaser

Ahh, so you only wanted to post the article from the express, a known far right conservative anti ev paper, but you didn't want it to be countered with any actual real world experience from folk who know cars.

Fair enough. I'll know in future

I guess @thevilla was right, just a thread for negative ev articles.

JKenH

"EVs aren't the only answer": Toyota scientist on the future of cars

I would have liked to quote the whole article but for copyright reasons I can’t so will just post the link.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/features/evs-arent-only-answer-toyota-scientist-future-cars

Grumpy_chap

1961Nick said:

Grumpy_chap said:

JKenH said:

Meanwhile, replacing a door handle on a Tesla Model S is almost £670 according to the MotorEasy data – the retractable feature being controlled by an electric motor – while a simple door handle on an Audi Q7 comes in at around £245.

How does that cost to repair the motorised retractable door handle on the TMS compare to the similar motorised retractable door handle on the Velar?

A door lock solenoid for a Jaguar or Landrover costs £550 fitted at a main dealer. About half that at an Indy.

Is a "door lock solenoid" the same as the part referred to in the article for Tesla (or Velar) for the motorised retractable door handle?  I assume the door lock solenoid is the more common part for the central locking.  My terminology may be incorrect.

Grumpy_chap said:

Solarchaser said:

The right are dead against being moved off ice, no-one likes change, but add in old white rich men and it becomes "I won't change" and instead they pay people to halt or stall the change in multiple ways.

I'm not sure that resistance can really be shown to any political bent or any specific sub-set and trying to do so is likely not conducive to moving the argument forwards.

Don't "old, white, rich men" seek to have the latest thing to show their success?  Much the same as any other segment of society.

Solarchaser said:

I'm afraid it can be seen quite clearly, conservative people by there very nature like to conserve what they have, progressive people want to move on adapt, and change the status quo.

To be more political the majority of over 55s vote for a conservative party, the majority of under 45s vote vote for progressive.
Part of the reason that England usually votes for the blue party is because pensioners always vote.

Edit for the graph I forgot.

I fail to see how that data has any relevance to EV purchases.

Unfortunately, I could not find data on profile for actual new EV buyers, though there are articles for aspirational EV buyers which is less meaningful (as you need to separate the dreamers from the actors).

My expectation would be that the current actual purchasers and owners of EV's would tend to the over-40 age group. That very probably has nothing to do with whether the individuals see themselves as more or less right or left, but more associated with the point whereby individuals reach the level of income and expense balance that supports a new car at £30k - £50k upwards.

You probably also have a group in the >70's that simply will never have an EV.  Again, doubtful that is because of the political leanings but more because finances in that group (as a whole) start to get tighter, plus there is a tendency in that age group to start believing that noting is worth changing because they won't need it long enough to get value from it.  



On a totally different subject, and sorry if a three-subject post is confusing, I was just driving home at an indicated 30 mph when I noticed that the electrically assisted pedal cycle ahead was actually going faster than I was.  I assume that means the bike was outside the constraints of what is lawful.

QrizB

Grumpy_chap said:

On a totally different subject, and sorry if a three-subject post is confusing, I was just driving home at an indicated 30 mph when I noticed that the electrically assisted pedal cycle ahead was actually going faster than I was.  I assume that means the bike was outside the constraints of what is lawful.

If it was on the flat, and the rider wasn't Bradley Wiggins or Katy Marchant, yes your assumption is likely to be correct.

Grumpy_chap

QrizB said:

Grumpy_chap said:

On a totally different subject, and sorry if a three-subject post is confusing, I was just driving home at an indicated 30 mph when I noticed that the electrically assisted pedal cycle ahead was actually going faster than I was.  I assume that means the bike was outside the constraints of what is lawful.

If it was on the flat, and the rider wasn't Bradley Wiggins or Katy Marchant, yes your assumption is likely to be correct.

Yes it was, and no it wasn't.
The cyclist was not even pedaling, just free-wheeling

JKenH

Solarchaser said:

Ahh, so you only wanted to post the article from the express, a known far right conservative anti ev paper, but you didn't want it to be countered with any actual real world experience from folk who know cars.

Fair enough. I'll know in future

I guess @thevilla was right, just a thread for negative ev articles.

I have to admit I am surprised at that reaction.

For the record I am more than happy for posts to be countered with real world experience. In fact, one of the reasons this thread was started was that certain people were unhappy on the cheerleading thread that someone (me) was sharing his real world experiences. That’s what we want to hear alongside press articles on here. The post at the beginning of the thread makes that clear.

The thread is open to everyone whatever they want to discuss, whether it is in the news or based on their own personal experiences, cost of running an EV, charging etc, good or bad.

We already have a cheerleading thread; this one adds balance both pro and con views. That’s the purpose of discussion. 

It’s not all anti-EV; perhaps you didn’t notice these two posts

Tesla Accelerated Production And Sales In China To New Record

All-electric Alfa Romeo Giulia will come with 500-mile range

but most of the good news gets posted on the cheerleading thread.

As for the Express being anti-EV - maybe they are - but have you ever considered that some other EV stories we see might come from outlets that are just a tiny bit biased the other way?

JKenH

Grumpy_chap said:

1961Nick said:

Grumpy_chap said:

JKenH said:

Meanwhile, replacing a door handle on a Tesla Model S is almost £670 according to the MotorEasy data – the retractable feature being controlled by an electric motor – while a simple door handle on an Audi Q7 comes in at around £245.

How does that cost to repair the motorised retractable door handle on the TMS compare to the similar motorised retractable door handle on the Velar?

A door lock solenoid for a Jaguar or Landrover costs £550 fitted at a main dealer. About half that at an Indy.

Is a "door lock solenoid" the same as the part referred to in the article for Tesla (or Velar) for the motorised retractable door handle?  I assume the door lock solenoid is the more common part for the central locking.  My terminology may be incorrect.

Grumpy_chap said:

Solarchaser said:

The right are dead against being moved off ice, no-one likes change, but add in old white rich men and it becomes "I won't change" and instead they pay people to halt or stall the change in multiple ways.

I'm not sure that resistance can really be shown to any political bent or any specific sub-set and trying to do so is likely not conducive to moving the argument forwards.

Don't "old, white, rich men" seek to have the latest thing to show their success?  Much the same as any other segment of society.

Solarchaser said:

I'm afraid it can be seen quite clearly, conservative people by there very nature like to conserve what they have, progressive people want to move on adapt, and change the status quo.

To be more political the majority of over 55s vote for a conservative party, the majority of under 45s vote vote for progressive.
Part of the reason that England usually votes for the blue party is because pensioners always vote.

Edit for the graph I forgot.

I fail to see how that data has any relevance to EV purchases.

Unfortunately, I could not find data on profile for actual new EV buyers, though there are articles for aspirational EV buyers which is less meaningful (as you need to separate the dreamers from the actors).

My expectation would be that the current actual purchasers and owners of EV's would tend to the over-40 age group. That very probably has nothing to do with whether the individuals see themselves as more or less right or left, but more associated with the point whereby individuals reach the level of income and expense balance that supports a new car at £30k - £50k upwards.

You probably also have a group in the >70's that simply will never have an EV.  Again, doubtful that is because of the political leanings but more because finances in that group (as a whole) start to get tighter, plus there is a tendency in that age group to start believing that noting is worth changing because they won't need it long enough to get value from it.

Don’t forget the tax advantages (company cars and SS schemes) which favour EV ownership in working age people.  I suspect this has been a significant factor in the take up of EVs. 

1961Nick

Grumpy_chap said:

1961Nick said:

Grumpy_chap said:

JKenH said:

Meanwhile, replacing a door handle on a Tesla Model S is almost £670 according to the MotorEasy data – the retractable feature being controlled by an electric motor – while a simple door handle on an Audi Q7 comes in at around £245.

How does that cost to repair the motorised retractable door handle on the TMS compare to the similar motorised retractable door handle on the Velar?

A door lock solenoid for a Jaguar or Landrover costs £550 fitted at a main dealer. About half that at an Indy.

Is a "door lock solenoid" the same as the part referred to in the article for Tesla (or Velar) for the motorised retractable door handle?  I assume the door lock solenoid is the more common part for the central locking.  My terminology may be incorrect.

Not the same function but both are remotely controlled solenoids mounted within the door. The labour element of a repair would be near enough identical.