EV Discussion thread

Exiled_Tyke

shinytop said:

Toyota seem to be second only to VW for the amount of slating they get on these boards but maybe they see Li batteries as yesterday's technology.  Eking out the ICE/PHEV market for a bit longer might allow them to sneak up on the inside with something better.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1136415_toyota-and-panasonic-lead-in-solid-state-battery-patents

And yes I know SS batteries have been talked about for many years but it'll be interesting to see what happens in the next few.  With batteries half the size or less we could start to see more BEVs that are the same size as the cars most people drive.

Can't disagree with this. But why haven't made an effort to get us all excited about the alternatives to "yesterday's technology." - That's where I lose my faith in the them.

shinytop

Exiled_Tyke said:

shinytop said:

Toyota seem to be second only to VW for the amount of slating they get on these boards but maybe they see Li batteries as yesterday's technology.  Eking out the ICE/PHEV market for a bit longer might allow them to sneak up on the inside with something better.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1136415_toyota-and-panasonic-lead-in-solid-state-battery-patents

And yes I know SS batteries have been talked about for many years but it'll be interesting to see what happens in the next few.  With batteries half the size or less we could start to see more BEVs that are the same size as the cars most people drive.

Can't disagree with this. But why haven't made an effort to get us all excited about the alternatives to "yesterday's technology." - That's where I lose my faith in the them.

Maybe because they're not that confident they'll work and don't want another Mirai?

ed110220

Solarchaser said:

I'm afraid it can be seen quite clearly, conservative people by there very nature like to conserve what they have, progressive people want to move on adapt, and change the status quo.

To be more political the majority of over 55s vote for a conservative party, the majority of under 45s vote vote for progressive.
Part of the reason that England usually votes for the blue party is because pensioners always vote.

Edit for the graph I forgot.

And the thing is voting has become much more polarised by age than it was in the past, so I would suggest a big part has been different life experiences in the era of unaffordable housing, zero hours contracts etc, rather than just part of aging. 

Grumpy_chap

ed110220 said:

And the thing is voting has become much more polarised by age than it was in the past, so I would suggest a big part has been different life experiences in the era of unaffordable housing, zero hours contracts etc, rather than just part of aging. 

But what has that got to do with who buys electric cars?

Is there data available that shows actual buyers of EV's split by age as well?  

There would need to be as the assertion made in the posts leading up to that graph being shared was that blue voters buy ICE and red voters buy EV.  I would be amazed if this was an issue that split along party lines (swinging either way).

michaels

Grumpy_chap said:

ed110220 said:

And the thing is voting has become much more polarised by age than it was in the past, so I would suggest a big part has been different life experiences in the era of unaffordable housing, zero hours contracts etc, rather than just part of aging. 

But what has that got to do with who buys electric cars?

Is there data available that shows actual buyers of EV's split by age as well?  

There would need to be as the assertion made in the posts leading up to that graph being shared was that blue voters buy ICE and red voters buy EV.  I would be amazed if this was an issue that split along party lines (swinging either way).

I would assume that EVs would be ideal with swingers now it is illegal to run your engine in a stationary vehicle to keep warm...or is that doggers?

QrizB

michaels said:

I would assume that EVs would be ideal with swingers now it is illegal to run your engine in a stationary vehicle to keep warm...or is that doggers?

I am not a lawyer.

Rule 123 of the Highway Code says "You MUST NOT leave a parked vehicle unattended with the engine running or leave a vehicle engine running unnecessarily while that vehicle is stationary on a public road."

However it refers to Regulation 98 of the Construction and Use Regs 1986 which has an examption "where the machinery is required to be worked for a purpose other than driving the vehicle", which I would expect to include where it's providing heat to ensure the health and safety of the occupants.

(I would also suggest that if you're doing it right you should be warm enough anyway!)

michaels

QrizB said:

michaels said:

I would assume that EVs would be ideal with swingers now it is illegal to run your engine in a stationary vehicle to keep warm...or is that doggers?

I am not a lawyer.

Rule 123 of the Highway Code says "You MUST NOT leave a parked vehicle unattended with the engine running or leave a vehicle engine running unnecessarily while that vehicle is stationary on a public road."

However it refers to Regulation 98 of the Construction and Use Regs 1986 which has an examption "where the machinery is required to be worked for a purpose other than driving the vehicle", which I would expect to include where it's providing heat to ensure the health and safety of the occupants.

(I would also suggest that if you're doing it right you should be warm enough anyway!)

I will bow to your superior experience.

Martyn1981

Grumpy_chap said:

ed110220 said:

And the thing is voting has become much more polarised by age than it was in the past, so I would suggest a big part has been different life experiences in the era of unaffordable housing, zero hours contracts etc, rather than just part of aging. 

But what has that got to do with who buys electric cars?

Is there data available that shows actual buyers of EV's split by age as well?  

There would need to be as the assertion made in the posts leading up to that graph being shared was that blue voters buy ICE and red voters buy EV.  I would be amazed if this was an issue that split along party lines (swinging either way).

Hiya. I looked at a Daily Mail article last week, about BEV's not being suitable for rural police. What interested me was the comments section. All negative comments got massive upticks. One repeated the nonsense that the Grid won't be able to cope, and got massive upticks. A response suggesting people look at the NG site who have for years said it's not a problem, got massively down ticked, which is rather sad to see.

Not UK, but timely article on the US where the politics are highly polarised (where one party still denies AGW science),  ticks the age, education, politics etc boxes regarding EV's:

As with most polls, the Consumer Reports survey slices and dices the raw data to see how age, gender, ethnicity, and other factors affect the answers people give. Here are a few insights from this latest poll about who is likely to consider buying or leasing an electric car:

• Males are more likely than females

•  Younger adults are more likely than older adults

• Americans with a higher education are more likely than those with a lower education

• Americans with a higher household income are more likely than those with a lower household income

•  Americans who live in urban areas are more likely than those living in suburban or rural settings

Overall, two-thirds of Americans say they would be likely to use low carbon fuel in their personal vehicle if the cost per gallon were the same as the cost of traditional fuel. And here’s something that indicates how out of step the reactionaries currently in control of the Republican agenda are with mainstream America. Seven out of 10 people who responded to the CR poll said the issue of climate change is personally “very important” (35%) or “somewhat important” (35%) to them. Three out of 4 Americans agree that human activities contribute to climate change.

More Americans Than Ever Would Consider Buying An EV, Says Consumer Reports

Grumpy_chap

Which EVs are suitable for a midlife crisis?

Martyn1981

Grumpy_chap said:

Which EVs are suitable for a midlife crisis?

TM3 LR + acceleration boost, or TM3P.