EV Discussion thread

Solarchaser

JKenH said:

Charge while you travel with new electric vehicle charging points at Network Rail stations

Thoughts anyone?  My two-penn’orth: Excellent idea if you are lucky enough to get on one but I imagine those on the early trains will hog them all day even if they only need an hour or so’s charge. Cost is I think 34p/kWh. 

Rail passengers with electric vehicles will be able to charge while they travel thanks to the introduction of 450 new electric vehicle charging points at Network Rail-managed car parks at railway stations.

The charging points, powered by guaranteed renewable energy, provide enough power to fully charge a vehicle in as little as 3-4 hours.  

https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/charge-while-you-travel-with-new-electric-vehicle-charging-points-at-network-rail-stations

I have to admit my ignorance here.
I dont get the train often, but occasionally pick up folk from train stations etc, I've never seen a train station without chargers in the last 5 years plus. (You only start noticing chargers when you start considering an ev right?)

Is this another one of those lucky Scottish things?
Or does Scotland only have 10 stations with chargers and I've been at them all 🤣

There's usually 4+ chargers and I've never seen them all full, I usually plug in if I'm waiting on a train passenger you see.

JKenH

White House Announces Tesla Will Open its Supercharger Network to All EVs in North America

“Later this year, Tesla will begin production of new Supercharger equipment that will enable non-Tesla EV drivers in North America to use Tesla Superchargers.” 

https://jalopnik.com/white-house-announces-tesla-will-open-its-supercharger-1849157027

JKenH

Solarchaser said:

JKenH said:

Charge while you travel with new electric vehicle charging points at Network Rail stations

Thoughts anyone?  My two-penn’orth: Excellent idea if you are lucky enough to get on one but I imagine those on the early trains will hog them all day even if they only need an hour or so’s charge. Cost is I think 34p/kWh. 

Rail passengers with electric vehicles will be able to charge while they travel thanks to the introduction of 450 new electric vehicle charging points at Network Rail-managed car parks at railway stations.

The charging points, powered by guaranteed renewable energy, provide enough power to fully charge a vehicle in as little as 3-4 hours.  

https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/charge-while-you-travel-with-new-electric-vehicle-charging-points-at-network-rail-stations

I have to admit my ignorance here.
I dont get the train often, but occasionally pick up folk from train stations etc, I've never seen a train station without chargers in the last 5 years plus. (You only start noticing chargers when you start considering an ev right?)

Is this another one of those lucky Scottish things?
Or does Scotland only have 10 stations with chargers and I've been at them all 🤣

There's usually 4+ chargers and I've never seen them all full, I usually plug in if I'm waiting on a train passenger you see.

It must be a Scotland thing. Zap-Map don’t show one at my nearest ECML station (Newark). There isn’t one listed either at Doncaster (also ECML) and my local stations at Gainsborough and Scunthorpe don’t have them. 

1961Nick

shinytop said:

1961Nick said:

Just registered my interest in the MG4. If it really does retail for the suggested £25K - £30K it may be be worthwhile replacing our diesel SUV? There's also mention of an awd version to follow the 2 rwd models.

I always thought £25k and 300miles would be my tipping point. Not that far off and looks OK. I assume other colours are available. 

Unfortunately it'll be nearer £30K for the long range version. However, good news on the colour...

Solarchaser

Autopilot,  what to say.
The first time you had a car with cruise control 
First time you had a car with lane guidance
First time you had a car with crash avoidance/autobraking
First time you had a car with adaptive cruise control
First time you have a car with Autopilot. 

Each of these things if they prove they work better/smoother than you do, or even just about as good as you do, you tend to let them, not all journeys, but especially for me, the long boring ones, like the M6, especially between Manchester and Brum where for reasons unknown the traffic goes from 10mph to 70mph, to 10mph to 70mph. Etc etc. Etc

Adaptive cruise control does that for me, tesla is better than any other car I've had for this as you can choose the distance between you and the car in front for speed matching and braking.
Same in stop start traffic.

I think everyone who uses these car supplied gimmicks at some point will realise that it releases a bit of your concentration from the road.
That is good and bad, less concentration means its less tiring/taxing, but its also less concentration......

It's the daily fail so I expect nothing but hyperbole,  and so my first question would be is it actually Autopilot? Like full self driving, or is it the standard Autopilot where actually all it does is keep you between lanes, and so if you come up to a junction etc and there is no car stopped there, it will happily plough you through it at 70mph.
So that's driver idiocy as per drunk/drugged driving headline.
Or is it Autopilot fail whereby with my poor man's Autopilot it randomly fires the brakes on because someone is on a sideroad waiting to join traffic, so it's Elon fault

Grumpy_chap

1961Nick said:

shinytop said:

1961Nick said:

Just registered my interest in the MG4. If it really does retail for the suggested £25K - £30K it may be be worthwhile replacing our diesel SUV? There's also mention of an awd version to follow the 2 rwd models.

I always thought £25k and 300miles would be my tipping point. Not that far off and looks OK. I assume other colours are available. 

Unfortunately it'll be nearer £30K for the long range version. However, good news on the colour...

So, one view it looks like a Lambo.  Opposite view it looks like a Niro.  Odd combination.

JKenH

Solarchaser said:

Autopilot,  what to say.
The first time you had a car with cruise control 
First time you had a car with lane guidance
First time you had a car with crash avoidance/autobraking
First time you had a car with adaptive cruise control
First time you have a car with Autopilot. 

Each of these things if they prove they work better/smoother than you do, or even just about as good as you do, you tend to let them, not all journeys, but especially for me, the long boring ones, like the M6, especially between Manchester and Brum where for reasons unknown the traffic goes from 10mph to 70mph, to 10mph to 70mph. Etc etc. Etc

Adaptive cruise control does that for me, tesla is better than any other car I've had for this as you can choose the distance between you and the car in front for speed matching and braking.
Same in stop start traffic.

I think everyone who uses these car supplied gimmicks at some point will realise that it releases a bit of your concentration from the road.
That is good and bad, less concentration means its less tiring/taxing, but its also less concentration......

It's the daily fail so I expect nothing but hyperbole,  and so my first question would be is it actually Autopilot? Like full self driving, or is it the standard Autopilot where actually all it does is keep you between lanes, and so if you come up to a junction etc and there is no car stopped there, it will happily plough you through it at 70mph.
So that's driver idiocy as per drunk/drugged driving headline.
Or is it Autopilot fail whereby with my poor man's Autopilot it randomly fires the brakes on because someone is on a sideroad waiting to join traffic, so it's Elon fault

I suspect 99% of the time it is driver but there’s something about Autopilot/FSD (whichever), whether it’s the name or indeed the very capabilities of it, either lulls drivers into a false sense of security or encourages them to do stupid things like climb into the back seat (or play with a laptop) while supposedly driving. I know the press have it in for Tesla but how many drivers of other cars with similar technology post videos of their antics. Maybe in the US more of the “wrong sort of people” get to drive Teslas. (Now there’s an elitist comment, for you).

JKenH

Why the electric car revolution is raising your house price in 2022

Will Watson, of agents The Buying Solution, said off-street parking in London could easily add as much as 20pc to the price of a family home. He said: “The huge concern for London is that people will have an issue charging electric vehicles if they don’t have a parking space. This premium is set to potentially get a lot higher.”

Electric vehicle infrastructure is relatively well-developed in central London, but in the suburbs the shortfall is acute. While in Westminster there are 2.5 electric vehicles for every public charging point, in Dacorum in Hertfordshire, the ratio is 57. Similarly in Elmbridge, Waverley and Mole Valley in Surrey, the respective ratios are 51, 46 and 45.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/house-prices/electric-car-revolution-raising-increasing-house-price-uk-2022/

Solarchaser

JKenH said:

Solarchaser said:

Autopilot,  what to say.
The first time you had a car with cruise control 
First time you had a car with lane guidance
First time you had a car with crash avoidance/autobraking
First time you had a car with adaptive cruise control
First time you have a car with Autopilot. 

Each of these things if they prove they work better/smoother than you do, or even just about as good as you do, you tend to let them, not all journeys, but especially for me, the long boring ones, like the M6, especially between Manchester and Brum where for reasons unknown the traffic goes from 10mph to 70mph, to 10mph to 70mph. Etc etc. Etc

Adaptive cruise control does that for me, tesla is better than any other car I've had for this as you can choose the distance between you and the car in front for speed matching and braking.
Same in stop start traffic.

I think everyone who uses these car supplied gimmicks at some point will realise that it releases a bit of your concentration from the road.
That is good and bad, less concentration means its less tiring/taxing, but its also less concentration......

It's the daily fail so I expect nothing but hyperbole,  and so my first question would be is it actually Autopilot? Like full self driving, or is it the standard Autopilot where actually all it does is keep you between lanes, and so if you come up to a junction etc and there is no car stopped there, it will happily plough you through it at 70mph.
So that's driver idiocy as per drunk/drugged driving headline.
Or is it Autopilot fail whereby with my poor man's Autopilot it randomly fires the brakes on because someone is on a sideroad waiting to join traffic, so it's Elon fault

I suspect 99% of the time it is driver but there’s something about Autopilot/FSD (whichever), whether it’s the name or indeed the very capabilities of it, either lulls drivers into a false sense of security or encourages them to do stupid things like climb into the back seat (or play with a laptop) while supposedly driving. I know the press have it in for Tesla but how many drivers of other cars with similar technology post videos of their antics. Maybe in the US more of the “wrong sort of people” get to drive Teslas. (Now there’s an elitist comment, for you).

As we have both acknowledged previously,  tesla have a particularly weird brand of fanboi, the like of which has only previously been seen with apple.

There certainly seem to be more weirdos buy teslas than other makes.
Thou must not criticise elon, chief of the weirdos.

As an aside and definitely anecdotal. 
If im stopped charging, far more folk wanna talk to a leaf driver than a Tesla, and it does seem tesla drivers are less conversational.
Based on my experience of charging both.
Kia, mustang and mg drivers are usually chatty.

Etron drivers are definitely the look down the nose type.

shinytop

1961Nick said:

shinytop said:

1961Nick said:

Just registered my interest in the MG4. If it really does retail for the suggested £25K - £30K it may be be worthwhile replacing our diesel SUV? There's also mention of an awd version to follow the 2 rwd models.

I always thought £25k and 300miles would be my tipping point. Not that far off and looks OK. I assume other colours are available. 

Unfortunately it'll be nearer £30K for the long range version. However, good news on the colour...

This is more 'me'