The big fat Electric Vehicle bashing thread.

yessuz

Ibrahim5 said:

Herzlos said:

Sitting in a car (or a motorway) for 6 hours without stopping sounds like torture, it must be awful to drive it.

I was trying to find some stats on driving time and safety but can't actually find anything except for the highway code recommendation to stop for 15 minutes every 2 hours, and an RAC survey:

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/rac-research-reveals-safety-risk-how-long-do-you-drive-without-stopping/

It's a survey of how long drivers who have taken their car abroad (which is already a small percentage of drivers) are prepared to drive without stopping. It seems 4 hours is the largest cut off - 42% (of that small percentage) wouldn't drive more than 4 hours without a stop.

So that'd imply that a 280 mile range should be enough for most people.

Of course, the one place EV's struggle is when there are multiple drivers (family road trips, some haulage) where they'd just swap driver every few hours rather than have a proper rest stop. You'd still need toilet breaks, but not fatigue breaks.

That research points out that 58% of people are happy to drive 4+ hours. 4 hours is 320 miles. Range is supposed to be restricted at 80miles/hour on most EVs. Tesla supposed to be best but a tad expensive. That research also points out that all the French drive south on exactly the same day (black Saturday). I can't imagine that being a good day for EVs when they are all looking for charging points.

they are not "looking for charging points". Your route is automatically guided via those. By car itself. automatically. guided. by itself. read again

seriously, take one for a test drive before spreading this nonsense. it will cost you nothing and will open your eyes a bit

Ibrahim5

It's a UK based article about UK drivers driving on the continent. France isn't totally pointless.

yessuz

Ibrahim5 said:

It's a UK based article about UK drivers driving on the continent. France isn't totally pointless.

it is. because most of people never drive in France anyway. Those who drive - have no problems.
only you, who, most likely (based on the nonsense you post) never drove one, have.

Ibrahim5

yessuz said:

Ibrahim5 said:

Herzlos said:

Sitting in a car (or a motorway) for 6 hours without stopping sounds like torture, it must be awful to drive it.

I was trying to find some stats on driving time and safety but can't actually find anything except for the highway code recommendation to stop for 15 minutes every 2 hours, and an RAC survey:

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/rac-research-reveals-safety-risk-how-long-do-you-drive-without-stopping/

It's a survey of how long drivers who have taken their car abroad (which is already a small percentage of drivers) are prepared to drive without stopping. It seems 4 hours is the largest cut off - 42% (of that small percentage) wouldn't drive more than 4 hours without a stop.

So that'd imply that a 280 mile range should be enough for most people.

Of course, the one place EV's struggle is when there are multiple drivers (family road trips, some haulage) where they'd just swap driver every few hours rather than have a proper rest stop. You'd still need toilet breaks, but not fatigue breaks.

That research points out that 58% of people are happy to drive 4+ hours. 4 hours is 320 miles. Range is supposed to be restricted at 80miles/hour on most EVs. Tesla supposed to be best but a tad expensive. That research also points out that all the French drive south on exactly the same day (black Saturday). I can't imagine that being a good day for EVs when they are all looking for charging points.

they are not "looking for charging points". Your route is automatically guided via those. By car itself. automatically. guided. by itself. read again

seriously, take one for a test drive before spreading this nonsense. it will cost you nothing and will open your eyes a bit

They will be looking for charging points on black Saturday. Can't drive from Paris to the South without recharge. All wanting to recharge about the same places. Not going to work.

yessuz

Ibrahim5 said:

yessuz said:

Ibrahim5 said:

Herzlos said:

Sitting in a car (or a motorway) for 6 hours without stopping sounds like torture, it must be awful to drive it.

I was trying to find some stats on driving time and safety but can't actually find anything except for the highway code recommendation to stop for 15 minutes every 2 hours, and an RAC survey:

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/rac-research-reveals-safety-risk-how-long-do-you-drive-without-stopping/

It's a survey of how long drivers who have taken their car abroad (which is already a small percentage of drivers) are prepared to drive without stopping. It seems 4 hours is the largest cut off - 42% (of that small percentage) wouldn't drive more than 4 hours without a stop.

So that'd imply that a 280 mile range should be enough for most people.

Of course, the one place EV's struggle is when there are multiple drivers (family road trips, some haulage) where they'd just swap driver every few hours rather than have a proper rest stop. You'd still need toilet breaks, but not fatigue breaks.

That research points out that 58% of people are happy to drive 4+ hours. 4 hours is 320 miles. Range is supposed to be restricted at 80miles/hour on most EVs. Tesla supposed to be best but a tad expensive. That research also points out that all the French drive south on exactly the same day (black Saturday). I can't imagine that being a good day for EVs when they are all looking for charging points.

they are not "looking for charging points". Your route is automatically guided via those. By car itself. automatically. guided. by itself. read again

seriously, take one for a test drive before spreading this nonsense. it will cost you nothing and will open your eyes a bit

They will be looking for charging points on black Saturday. Can't drive from Paris to the South without recharge. All wanting to recharge about the same places. Not going to work.

it either falls on death ears (or blind eyes in this case) or you deliberately misread and spread misleading comments.

Cars route you from start of your journey to very end of it and IF REQUIRED, will take all required stops for charging into account and will guide you accordingly. You do not have to look for charger yourself. 

Here's example from Ford. Other manufacturers have exactly the same systems working in same way. Not the first gen leafs, of course, but all new cars have exactly the same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVLWD_2EsXQ

it would be much better if you would stop spreading false information here.

Ibrahim5

OK they may be routed to chargers but will have to wait hours before they will be able to use one.

Martyn1981

Just to say, because I always like to look for the positives. On previous EV threads going back 5yrs or so, those with little to no interest in getting nor learning about BEV's would claim they are no good till they can drive 200 miles on a motorway, at speed with charging times of 30mins. Then it became 300 miles, then 400, now it seems to be 480 miles.

Moving the goalposts is actually progress, and for the 480 mile edge cases, there's the expensive (edge case(?)) Lucid Air with a range of over 500 miles* ...... many times in excess of my bladder range.

*520 mile range high performance model costs about $140k, or around $170k for about 1,100bhp. Whilst the base models with 'only' 400 miles of range start at about $70k. Not yet released in the UK, but apparently it is planned.

yessuz

Ibrahim5 said:

OK they may be routed to chargers but will have to wait hours before they will be able to use one.

yes, everything is possible. like arriving to petrol station and you have to stay in queue for hrs in order to get to the pump (September 2021 anyone?)  At same success you can arrive and charge without any queue and no waiting time. Your point being what?? tht queues can happen?

seriously, you should really educate yourself on how this works before continuing spreading this nonsense

Herzlos

Ibrahim5 said:

Herzlos said:

Sitting in a car (or a motorway) for 6 hours without stopping sounds like torture, it must be awful to drive it.

I was trying to find some stats on driving time and safety but can't actually find anything except for the highway code recommendation to stop for 15 minutes every 2 hours, and an RAC survey:

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/rac-research-reveals-safety-risk-how-long-do-you-drive-without-stopping/

It's a survey of how long drivers who have taken their car abroad (which is already a small percentage of drivers) are prepared to drive without stopping. It seems 4 hours is the largest cut off - 42% (of that small percentage) wouldn't drive more than 4 hours without a stop.

So that'd imply that a 280 mile range should be enough for most people.

Of course, the one place EV's struggle is when there are multiple drivers (family road trips, some haulage) where they'd just swap driver every few hours rather than have a proper rest stop. You'd still need toilet breaks, but not fatigue breaks.

That research points out that 58% of people are happy to drive 4+ hours. 4 hours is 320 miles. Range is supposed to be restricted at 80miles/hour on most EVs. Tesla supposed to be best but a tad expensive. That research also points out that all the French drive south on exactly the same day (black Saturday). I can't imagine that being a good day for EVs when they are all looking for charging points.

That's 58% of people who take their car abroad. I reckon based on my experience that less than 1 in 50 people actually drive abroad, but that may differ depending on how close you live to the channel tunner.

IF EV charging was that problematic, then the news would be making a huge outrage piece of it with footage of electric cars abandoned in queues everywhere. The reality of it is that most people have no problem driving any distance with an electric car.

You've made it clear that (a) you've no idea what you're actually talking about and (b) you've no interest in an honest discussion, just to continue to spout your oft disputed anti-ev drivel. You're clearly not going to buy one or influence anyone, so what's the actual point?

Herzlos

Martyn1981 said:

Just to say, because I always like to look for the positives. On previous EV threads going back 5yrs or so, those with little to no interest in getting nor learning about BEV's would claim they are no good till they can drive 200 miles on a motorway, at speed with charging times of 30mins. Then it became 300 miles, then 400, now it seems to be 480 miles.

Moving the goalposts is actually progress, and for the 480 mile edge cases, there's the expensive (edge case(?)) Lucid Air with a range of over 500 miles* ...... many times in excess of my bladder range.

*520 mile range high performance model costs about $140k, or around $170k for about 1,100bhp. Whilst the base models with 'only' 400 miles of range start at about $70k. Not yet released in the UK, but apparently it is planned.

Good point. Given that ICE development has essentially stopped, I wonder if they'll keep shifting goalposts beyond a point where EV's have a longer range than ICE - or will they keep going on about charging times and how they've got a £200 ICE car that somehow gets 80mpg and they'd never need electric?

(I have to admit; it's amusing to watch the goal post shifting to an extent, but I'm not quite right in the head).