Tiling Job - Tiles not straight

Section62

Jeepers_Creepers said:

No, it isn't 'personal opinion'.

Based on the info provided, it was a mistake. There is a far better and far more obvious layout, and that's the one carried out by the previous tiler. And would have been done by me as a DIYer. It's that obvious.

 

Jeepers, the BiB is a 'personal opinion'.

You, "as a DIYer", are saying that the professional tiler made a "mistake".  The professional tiler could reply to you "how many tiled floors have you laid? Why is your opinion superior to mine?"

I'm not a tiler. Professional or DIYer (I discovered my limits). But I have experience in industries where line and level are critical, to some extent safety critical.  That experience tells me that line and level are subjective, unless specified. Everyone will have their own opinion on what is 'right'.

That's partly because human eyesight is this funky thing which creates a picture in our brain that doesn't exactly match the reality.  That applies as much to looking at sketches as it does grout-lines on floors.  And sometimes things have to be 'squint' in reality to make them look right in our heads.  If you don't understand why a professional has made something 'squint', it is easy to wrongly conclude they have made a mistake.

This could possibly be one of the tilers previous jobs....

Jeepers_Creepers said:

If Jack were to pursue this - tho' I hope he can live with it - then the first thing would be to employ a surveyor. I am really pretty certain, really nigh-on 97.45% sure, that the surveyor will say, "M'lud, he boobed. This is what he should have done - no excuses..."

^^A further 'personal opinion'^^.


I'm not going to reply to the post in which you quoted me and Doozergirl at length. But I will say that none of that (in my view) was "tackling" Jack.  Most of it (in my case at least) was discussion with you, trying to convey the idea that there is more than one way of looking at this. And also that promoting a view the client is always 100% right with 0% responsibility is a dangerous thing to do on a consumer-rights related forum.

travis-powers

Got nothing constructive to add to this post but please speak and resolve this with your contractor, don’t just not pay him and think it will that’s the end of it, every construction forum has how to deal with non paying clients.

naf123

If the reference point was the hallway - it isn't the tile fitter fault that the kitchen units aren't lined up properly. 

benson1980

naf123 said:

If the reference point was the hallway - it isn't the tile fitter fault that the kitchen units aren't lined up properly. 

No, but I think most people with half a clue could fathom that any discrepancy is far better hidden against the rear wall and threshold, especially with the tiles laid length ways against it, and the line of sight as you enter the room.

It’s just a bit of a crap job. 

DB1904

benson1980 said:

naf123 said:

If the reference point was the hallway - it isn't the tile fitter fault that the kitchen units aren't lined up properly. 

No, but I think most people with half a clue could fathom that any discrepancy is far better hidden against the rear wall and threshold, especially with the tiles laid length ways against it, and the line of sight as you enter the room.

It’s just a bit of a crap job. 

Again that should have been discussed because it has been laid from the threshold with the discrepancy on the rear wall.

Section62

benson1980 said:

No, but I think most people with half a clue could fathom that any discrepancy is far better hidden against the rear wall and threshold, especially with the tiles laid length ways against it, and the line of sight as you enter the room.

It’s just a bit of a crap job. 

The "line of sight as you enter the room" is the row of uncut tiles which the tiler has laid perpendicular to the threshold. Such that they are 'straight' as you look at them from the doorway.

People who are still criticising that decision (if it was the tiler's decision) as a "crap job" have apparently still not clocked what the actual problem is..... after however many pages of posts discussing it.

Jeepers_Creepers

S62, based on the information we have been given, which layout do you consider to be better? More correct. The one you'd wish to have been left with?

The original tiler's or the subsequent tiler's?

And by roughly what factor.

Doozergirl

Jeepers_Creepers said:

S62, based on the information we have been given, which layout do you consider to be better? More correct. The one you'd wish to have been left with?

The original tiler's or the subsequent tiler's?

And by roughly what factor.

As a 'big picture' designer, I'd follow the longest line of perspective from the front door, if indeed that is where the hallway comes from.  

I have 120 square metres of Amtico laid across my ground floor and it all starts from the front door, because that is the longest sight line.  10 metres straight through to the back door.  Even the two solitary trees I've planted in the back garden are lined up with it. There will be a focal point slap bang in the middle at the back too.    

Section62

Jeepers_Creepers said:

S62, based on the information we have been given, which layout do you consider to be better? More correct. The one you'd wish to have been left with?

The original tiler's or the subsequent tiler's?

And by roughly what factor.

Arguments could be made for either.  The choice is a personal one, and my view isn't relevant.

There are only two that actually count - Jack (and his wife together), and the tiler's.  And a third - the judge - if it goes that far.


Given the BiB question, I think it is also worth pointing out (I'd lost the will to do so yesterday) that we now know that the current tiler wasn't the one who took the old tiles up.  Therefore he wasn't in a position to know that was how it was done previously, or to suspect that was what Jack wanted put back.

He had a 'blank canvas' to work with.

So the BiB question is moot - unless Jack showed the tiler pictures of the previous job and said 'please do it like this'.

Doozergirl

So the BiB question is moot - unless Jack showed the tiler pictures of the previous job and said 'please do it like this'.

Now that would have been a good idea. The OP wouldn't have even needed to turn up 🙄