What will happen to ICE Car values now that EV's are getting closer.

NBLondon

ElefantEd said:

An interesting development for anyone concerned that charging times make long journeys impractical:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/19/electric-car-batteries-race-ahead-with-five-minute-charging-times

Obviously some new infrastructure to support a higher current will be needed but that's a straightforward problem to solve.

I saw that and thought that's the game changer when those chargers are widely available.

Maybe we'll have a phase where the very newest EV are fast-charge but still expensive (or only on lease/PCP deals)  and the previous generation then become a lot cheaper on the second-hand market.

Biggus_Dickus

NBLondon said:

ElefantEd said:

An interesting development for anyone concerned that charging times make long journeys impractical:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/19/electric-car-batteries-race-ahead-with-five-minute-charging-times

Obviously some new infrastructure to support a higher current will be needed but that's a straightforward problem to solve.

I saw that and thought that's the game changer when those chargers are widely available.

Maybe we'll have a phase where the very newest EV are fast-charge but still expensive (or only on lease/PCP deals)  and the previous generation then become a lot cheaper on the second-hand market.

Those suffering 'range anxiety' will be well pleased. 

AdrianC

ElefantEd said:

An interesting development for anyone concerned that charging times make long journeys impractical:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/19/electric-car-batteries-race-ahead-with-five-minute-charging-times

Obviously some new infrastructure to support a higher current will be needed but that's a straightforward problem to solve.

Let's put that into context...

The article claims "100 miles of range in five minutes".
Cars are already available in the UK for <£30k with 50kWh batteries offering 220 miles of range.
So let's say that 100 miles is 22.7kWh. In five minutes, that'd be 270kW.
The latest generation of Tesla Superchargers claim 150kW. Tesla also claim 250kW charging is possible on their current cars.
Assuming the charger is connected directly into the 11kV local-distribution supply (before your local transformer), 270kW would be 25A. At 415v three-phase, that'd be 650A. That is non-trivial current, requiring non-trivial cabling.

Those same £30k cars already promise 80% (176 mile) in 30 min = 17min for 100 miles.

Mickey666

Yes, but it's an indication of how things are moving in the EV world.  Besides, range anxiety is just that - anxiety.  Doesn't really matter if its well-founded or not, it's still real.  It's more of a marketing psychology problem than perhaps a technical one.  People are used to filling up their cars with 400/500 miles of fuel in a few minutes, so that's the benchmark.  Doesn't matter that hardly anyone gets in their car and drives 400/500 miles without a break.  Will be interesting to see the state of the art in another five years.

DrEskimo

AdrianC said:

ElefantEd said:

An interesting development for anyone concerned that charging times make long journeys impractical:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/19/electric-car-batteries-race-ahead-with-five-minute-charging-times

Obviously some new infrastructure to support a higher current will be needed but that's a straightforward problem to solve.

Let's put that into context...

The article claims "100 miles of range in five minutes".
Cars are already available in the UK for <£30k with 50kWh batteries offering 220 miles of range.
So let's say that 100 miles is 22.7kWh. In five minutes, that'd be 270kW.
The latest generation of Tesla Superchargers claim 150kW. Tesla also claim 250kW charging is possible on their current cars.
Assuming the charger is connected directly into the 11kV local-distribution supply (before your local transformer), 270kW would be 25A. At 415v three-phase, that'd be 650A. That is non-trivial current, requiring non-trivial cabling.

Those same £30k cars already promise 80% (176 mile) in 30 min = 17min for 100 miles.

Yes, the latest Gen 3 superchargers from Tesla already can achieve 1000miles of range per hour of charge, or about 80miles in 5mins. Admittedly this peak output is only achievable on a low battery SoC and with good temps. Tesla's already have the capability to heat the battery if you are using the sat-nav to navigate to the supercharger.

They are typically supplemented with a 1MW power cabinet to facilitate that 250kW peak output. The latest gen CCS cables are also water-cooled.

https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/blog/introducing-v3-supercharging