November 2020 international travel rules

Thrugelmir

Ben1989 said:

JamoLew said:

I really cant believe you are encouraging someone to travel from a Tier 3 area (against advice) to go on holiday (against advice)
No wonder we are in a mess again !!
Let's just all do what we want shall we and allow thousands more to die (and not just from CV-19)
It's heartbreaking for us NHS workers 

NHS hold my absolute respect. I understand your frustration but my wife has not seen her family in two years. She also has a degrading family member. As mentioned, we will be self-isolating prior to travelling, I will be having a test during my isolation from a ONS visitor. Once arriving, we will be quarantining and paying for tests after a few days to ensure there was no airport transmission. Upon arriving back to the UK we will be straight in the car straight home and self-isolating for two weeks.

I am a strict PPE follower, we haven't been to a single restaurant or bar since March. Purely seeing family when it was allowed and work. My wife has been working from home since March and is going insane. 

Your frustration should be aimed at young people who decide to go pubs to see their 9 mates, ordering meals without touching them just to get drunk, people who go into the shop without their mask because they're only 'nipping in', people who think their nose is not attached to their airway and therefore do not need to cover it, people who have tests and go into work before their results because 'it's definitely just a cold', people who land from a non-exempt country and go out on a bender as soon as they land and sack isolating off.

Then everyone wonders why Covid goes around and around. The sooner the borders are shut down the better. The only countries that are being successful in containing Covid are those who've restricted movement. 

Leodogger

Thrugelmir said:

Ben1989 said:

JamoLew said:

I really cant believe you are encouraging someone to travel from a Tier 3 area (against advice) to go on holiday (against advice)
No wonder we are in a mess again !!
Let's just all do what we want shall we and allow thousands more to die (and not just from CV-19)
It's heartbreaking for us NHS workers 

NHS hold my absolute respect. I understand your frustration but my wife has not seen her family in two years. She also has a degrading family member. As mentioned, we will be self-isolating prior to travelling, I will be having a test during my isolation from a ONS visitor. Once arriving, we will be quarantining and paying for tests after a few days to ensure there was no airport transmission. Upon arriving back to the UK we will be straight in the car straight home and self-isolating for two weeks.

I am a strict PPE follower, we haven't been to a single restaurant or bar since March. Purely seeing family when it was allowed and work. My wife has been working from home since March and is going insane. 

Your frustration should be aimed at young people who decide to go pubs to see their 9 mates, ordering meals without touching them just to get drunk, people who go into the shop without their mask because they're only 'nipping in', people who think their nose is not attached to their airway and therefore do not need to cover it, people who have tests and go into work before their results because 'it's definitely just a cold', people who land from a non-exempt country and go out on a bender as soon as they land and sack isolating off.

Then everyone wonders why Covid goes around and around. The sooner the borders are shut down the better. The only countries that are being successful in containing Covid are those who've restricted movement. 

Which ones are they prey?    As every country in Europe it is out of control !

Leodogger

epm-84 said:

Leodogger said:

JamoLew said:

A holiday is NOT essential travel - be prepared to be turned around

BBC: From Thursday, holidays both inside England and abroad will be banned until 2 December, as the government tries to stop a second wave of coronavirus from spreading.
Independant: Overnight stays and holidays away from primary residences will not be allowed – including holidays in the UK and abroad.

guess I can ignore all the other "advice" when I go back into work in an NHS hospital tomorrow as well then

Yey - no more mask, no more wrecked hands from washing etc - don't worry, the patients will be fine

The Foreign Office is putting out new advice Thursday morning to ban all non-essential travel, pity they are not offering a refund too on holidays booked BEFORE March !!   Easy to throw out these rules left, right and centre.   How many deaths will they have on their hands from suicides which are soaring.

For those who have booked a package or have suitable insurance banning non-essential travel is what will trigger a refund/insurance payout.

Unfortunately, those who booked flights with Ryanair and have insurance which excludes anything related to COVID-19 are screwed.

No insurance company covers you for any items relating to Covid unless you took it out before the pandemic hit us !

greensalad

Leodogger said:

Thrugelmir said:

Ben1989 said:

JamoLew said:

I really cant believe you are encouraging someone to travel from a Tier 3 area (against advice) to go on holiday (against advice)
No wonder we are in a mess again !!
Let's just all do what we want shall we and allow thousands more to die (and not just from CV-19)
It's heartbreaking for us NHS workers 

NHS hold my absolute respect. I understand your frustration but my wife has not seen her family in two years. She also has a degrading family member. As mentioned, we will be self-isolating prior to travelling, I will be having a test during my isolation from a ONS visitor. Once arriving, we will be quarantining and paying for tests after a few days to ensure there was no airport transmission. Upon arriving back to the UK we will be straight in the car straight home and self-isolating for two weeks.

I am a strict PPE follower, we haven't been to a single restaurant or bar since March. Purely seeing family when it was allowed and work. My wife has been working from home since March and is going insane. 

Your frustration should be aimed at young people who decide to go pubs to see their 9 mates, ordering meals without touching them just to get drunk, people who go into the shop without their mask because they're only 'nipping in', people who think their nose is not attached to their airway and therefore do not need to cover it, people who have tests and go into work before their results because 'it's definitely just a cold', people who land from a non-exempt country and go out on a bender as soon as they land and sack isolating off.

Then everyone wonders why Covid goes around and around. The sooner the borders are shut down the better. The only countries that are being successful in containing Covid are those who've restricted movement. 

Which ones are they prey?    As every country in Europe it is out of control !

New Zealand. My family who live there were running a half-marathon in the city just a few days ago with thousands of others.

Leodogger

greensalad said:

Leodogger said:

Thrugelmir said:

Ben1989 said:

JamoLew said:

I really cant believe you are encouraging someone to travel from a Tier 3 area (against advice) to go on holiday (against advice)
No wonder we are in a mess again !!
Let's just all do what we want shall we and allow thousands more to die (and not just from CV-19)
It's heartbreaking for us NHS workers 

NHS hold my absolute respect. I understand your frustration but my wife has not seen her family in two years. She also has a degrading family member. As mentioned, we will be self-isolating prior to travelling, I will be having a test during my isolation from a ONS visitor. Once arriving, we will be quarantining and paying for tests after a few days to ensure there was no airport transmission. Upon arriving back to the UK we will be straight in the car straight home and self-isolating for two weeks.

I am a strict PPE follower, we haven't been to a single restaurant or bar since March. Purely seeing family when it was allowed and work. My wife has been working from home since March and is going insane. 

Your frustration should be aimed at young people who decide to go pubs to see their 9 mates, ordering meals without touching them just to get drunk, people who go into the shop without their mask because they're only 'nipping in', people who think their nose is not attached to their airway and therefore do not need to cover it, people who have tests and go into work before their results because 'it's definitely just a cold', people who land from a non-exempt country and go out on a bender as soon as they land and sack isolating off.

Then everyone wonders why Covid goes around and around. The sooner the borders are shut down the better. The only countries that are being successful in containing Covid are those who've restricted movement. 

Which ones are they prey?    As every country in Europe it is out of control !

New Zealand. My family who live there were running a half-marathon in the city just a few days ago with thousands of others.

And ???????????

silvercar

Leodogger said:

epm-84 said:

Leodogger said:

JamoLew said:

A holiday is NOT essential travel - be prepared to be turned around

BBC: From Thursday, holidays both inside England and abroad will be banned until 2 December, as the government tries to stop a second wave of coronavirus from spreading.
Independant: Overnight stays and holidays away from primary residences will not be allowed – including holidays in the UK and abroad.

guess I can ignore all the other "advice" when I go back into work in an NHS hospital tomorrow as well then

Yey - no more mask, no more wrecked hands from washing etc - don't worry, the patients will be fine

The Foreign Office is putting out new advice Thursday morning to ban all non-essential travel, pity they are not offering a refund too on holidays booked BEFORE March !!   Easy to throw out these rules left, right and centre.   How many deaths will they have on their hands from suicides which are soaring.

For those who have booked a package or have suitable insurance banning non-essential travel is what will trigger a refund/insurance payout.

Unfortunately, those who booked flights with Ryanair and have insurance which excludes anything related to COVID-19 are screwed.

No insurance company covers you for any items relating to Covid unless you took it out before the pandemic hit us !

Try staysure, they are still covering covid. 

mattyprice4004

Leodogger said:

Ben1989 said:

epm-84 said:

Leodogger said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

Further update:   To double check I spoke again to Ryainair chat line and they said they only need passport and tickets to check in but I should contact the embassy in the country I am heading to to check if that is all we will need from their end!    Why the Spanish embassy would want to check why you are entering the country from the UK I don't know.

There are no restrictions on UK nationals entering Spain but do check the details in the 2nd grey box here...

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/spain

The chat has told you to check with the embassy as that is their stock answer: all entry requirements are the responsibility of the passenger.

Those are the standard rules which I already knew about but the lockdown introduces new rules which have not been set out by the Gov until now but apparently they are going to issue a more comprehensive set of rules on Wednesday but what's the bet it will just be a confirmation of what we have already been told and as I said, the airports have been given no new guidance since temperatures were introduced after the last lockdown.

The CEO of a travel consultancy firm appeared on Sky News this morning saying reliable industry sources are saying the FCDO is going to issue a new ruling against all non-essential overseas travel effective from 00:01 on Thursday, which will apply UK wide as FCDO responsibilities are not devolved.  He also did specifically say it would be a ban, not just guidance against. It's understood those already abroad on non-essential business won't be asked to return home immediately but he also said many leisure airlines are ready to cancel flights from next week as soon as the FCDO advice is updated, meaning if you go away for 2 weeks on Wednesday you may be stuck there until restrictions in the UK are lifted.

Let's hope not, for selfish reasons. The irony is, where I'll be travelling to, cases and deaths are 12x better than here. I'm safer travelling haha.

Same for us travelling to Costa Del Sol, where my daughter lives they have hardly had any cases and some villages have had none, all the infection is in the north of Spain.     If the FCDO bans travel out of the country, then the airlines must compensate those who were due to travel but at the moment Michael O'Leary said he is running a skeleton schedule for business travellers and no one will get a refund if they cancel their flights or fail to turn up!!

Rightly so, it shouldn't be down to airlines if the Gov advice changes at the last minute (and thankfully it isn't).

If anyone, be angry at the Government - it's not Ryanair's fault you can't travel, and thus they shouldn't (and won't) have to pick up the tab.

silvercar

mattyprice4004 said:

Leodogger said:

Ben1989 said:

epm-84 said:

Leodogger said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

Further update:   To double check I spoke again to Ryainair chat line and they said they only need passport and tickets to check in but I should contact the embassy in the country I am heading to to check if that is all we will need from their end!    Why the Spanish embassy would want to check why you are entering the country from the UK I don't know.

There are no restrictions on UK nationals entering Spain but do check the details in the 2nd grey box here...

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/spain

The chat has told you to check with the embassy as that is their stock answer: all entry requirements are the responsibility of the passenger.

Those are the standard rules which I already knew about but the lockdown introduces new rules which have not been set out by the Gov until now but apparently they are going to issue a more comprehensive set of rules on Wednesday but what's the bet it will just be a confirmation of what we have already been told and as I said, the airports have been given no new guidance since temperatures were introduced after the last lockdown.

The CEO of a travel consultancy firm appeared on Sky News this morning saying reliable industry sources are saying the FCDO is going to issue a new ruling against all non-essential overseas travel effective from 00:01 on Thursday, which will apply UK wide as FCDO responsibilities are not devolved.  He also did specifically say it would be a ban, not just guidance against. It's understood those already abroad on non-essential business won't be asked to return home immediately but he also said many leisure airlines are ready to cancel flights from next week as soon as the FCDO advice is updated, meaning if you go away for 2 weeks on Wednesday you may be stuck there until restrictions in the UK are lifted.

Let's hope not, for selfish reasons. The irony is, where I'll be travelling to, cases and deaths are 12x better than here. I'm safer travelling haha.

Same for us travelling to Costa Del Sol, where my daughter lives they have hardly had any cases and some villages have had none, all the infection is in the north of Spain.     If the FCDO bans travel out of the country, then the airlines must compensate those who were due to travel but at the moment Michael O'Leary said he is running a skeleton schedule for business travellers and no one will get a refund if they cancel their flights or fail to turn up!!

Rightly so, it shouldn't be down to airlines if the Gov advice changes at the last minute (and thankfully it isn't).

If anyone, be angry at the Government - it's not Ryanair's fault you can't travel, and thus they shouldn't (and won't) have to pick up the tab.

It’s not individual’s fault either!

That other airlines are being far more helpful shows Ryanair in a bad light.
BA will refund me if they cancel my flight or give me a future travel voucher if the flight goes ahead, but regulations mean I can’t use it.
people will remember in the future, who looked after their customers better.

Leodogger

silvercar said:

Leodogger said:

epm-84 said:

Leodogger said:

JamoLew said:

A holiday is NOT essential travel - be prepared to be turned around

BBC: From Thursday, holidays both inside England and abroad will be banned until 2 December, as the government tries to stop a second wave of coronavirus from spreading.
Independant: Overnight stays and holidays away from primary residences will not be allowed – including holidays in the UK and abroad.

guess I can ignore all the other "advice" when I go back into work in an NHS hospital tomorrow as well then

Yey - no more mask, no more wrecked hands from washing etc - don't worry, the patients will be fine

The Foreign Office is putting out new advice Thursday morning to ban all non-essential travel, pity they are not offering a refund too on holidays booked BEFORE March !!   Easy to throw out these rules left, right and centre.   How many deaths will they have on their hands from suicides which are soaring.

For those who have booked a package or have suitable insurance banning non-essential travel is what will trigger a refund/insurance payout.

Unfortunately, those who booked flights with Ryanair and have insurance which excludes anything related to COVID-19 are screwed.

No insurance company covers you for any items relating to Covid unless you took it out before the pandemic hit us !

Try staysure, they are still covering covid. 

Might do that thanks.   Also I have been told by my son that I could claim compensation from Ryanair for a cancelled flight as we were originally booked to fly on the 4th November and it was cancelled and moved to the 6th November.

Has anyone else done this before ?

CKhalvashi

Leodogger said:

silvercar said:

Leodogger said:

epm-84 said:

Leodogger said:

JamoLew said:

A holiday is NOT essential travel - be prepared to be turned around

BBC: From Thursday, holidays both inside England and abroad will be banned until 2 December, as the government tries to stop a second wave of coronavirus from spreading.
Independant: Overnight stays and holidays away from primary residences will not be allowed – including holidays in the UK and abroad.

guess I can ignore all the other "advice" when I go back into work in an NHS hospital tomorrow as well then

Yey - no more mask, no more wrecked hands from washing etc - don't worry, the patients will be fine

The Foreign Office is putting out new advice Thursday morning to ban all non-essential travel, pity they are not offering a refund too on holidays booked BEFORE March !!   Easy to throw out these rules left, right and centre.   How many deaths will they have on their hands from suicides which are soaring.

For those who have booked a package or have suitable insurance banning non-essential travel is what will trigger a refund/insurance payout.

Unfortunately, those who booked flights with Ryanair and have insurance which excludes anything related to COVID-19 are screwed.

No insurance company covers you for any items relating to Covid unless you took it out before the pandemic hit us !

Try staysure, they are still covering covid. 

Might do that thanks.   Also I have been told by my son that I could claim compensation from Ryanair for a cancelled flight as we were originally booked to fly on the 4th November and it was cancelled and moved to the 6th November.

Has anyone else done this before ?

Depends when it was cancelled and why.

I'm assuming that Ryanair will use the get out of government restrictions though, which given the current situation is a completely valid one if the route touches the UK.