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November 2020 international travel rules
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I normally fly with Jest2 and have found them to be fair and reasonable. I am still waiting for a refund, but they have promised it within 28 days and it is only 20 days so we will see if my faith is repaid ! LOLCKhalvashi said:
To change a flight that isn't cancelled requires goodwill on an airline.Leodogger said:
If that were the case, then NO other airline would be offering compensation but they are, so that blows your theory out of the water don't you think !mattyprice4004 said:Leodogger said:
Yes but they should offer compensation, they are breaking the contract with me, not I with them !mattyprice4004 said:Leodogger said:
The point is the choice has not been left to us, we want to be on it! Our choice has been taken away and for that WE are not to blame. I could turn up and they may or may not allow me to board, if they did not, that would be THEIR fault not mine if I were there to fly on time !mattyprice4004 said:Leodogger said:
I quite agree, the individual is the victim in all this, let the airlines slug it out with the government but give the passengers compensation by all means, it was not my fault I cannot travel!silvercar said:
It’s not individual’s fault either!mattyprice4004 said:Leodogger said:
Same for us travelling to Costa Del Sol, where my daughter lives they have hardly had any cases and some villages have had none, all the infection is in the north of Spain. If the FCDO bans travel out of the country, then the airlines must compensate those who were due to travel but at the moment Michael O'Leary said he is running a skeleton schedule for business travellers and no one will get a refund if they cancel their flights or fail to turn up!!Ben1989 said:
Let's hope not, for selfish reasons. The irony is, where I'll be travelling to, cases and deaths are 12x better than here. I'm safer travelling haha.epm-84 said:
The CEO of a travel consultancy firm appeared on Sky News this morning saying reliable industry sources are saying the FCDO is going to issue a new ruling against all non-essential overseas travel effective from 00:01 on Thursday, which will apply UK wide as FCDO responsibilities are not devolved. He also did specifically say it would be a ban, not just guidance against. It's understood those already abroad on non-essential business won't be asked to return home immediately but he also said many leisure airlines are ready to cancel flights from next week as soon as the FCDO advice is updated, meaning if you go away for 2 weeks on Wednesday you may be stuck there until restrictions in the UK are lifted.Leodogger said:
Those are the standard rules which I already knew about but the lockdown introduces new rules which have not been set out by the Gov until now but apparently they are going to issue a more comprehensive set of rules on Wednesday but what's the bet it will just be a confirmation of what we have already been told and as I said, the airports have been given no new guidance since temperatures were introduced after the last lockdown.bradders1983 said:
There are no restrictions on UK nationals entering Spain but do check the details in the 2nd grey box here...Leodogger said:Further update: To double check I spoke again to Ryainair chat line and they said they only need passport and tickets to check in but I should contact the embassy in the country I am heading to to check if that is all we will need from their end! Why the Spanish embassy would want to check why you are entering the country from the UK I don't know.
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/spain
The chat has told you to check with the embassy as that is their stock answer: all entry requirements are the responsibility of the passenger.Rightly so, it shouldn't be down to airlines if the Gov advice changes at the last minute (and thankfully it isn't).If anyone, be angry at the Government - it's not Ryanair's fault you can't travel, and thus they shouldn't (and won't) have to pick up the tab.That other airlines are being far more helpful shows Ryanair in a bad light.
BA will refund me if they cancel my flight or give me a future travel voucher if the flight goes ahead, but regulations mean I can’t use it.
people will remember in the future, who looked after their customers better.
It's not as simple as that - the airlines simply don't have the money to refund everyone, and it's not their fault you can't travel either.It's a Government restriction, any anger should be directed at them at not the airline.It's rubbish, I was in the same situation earlier in the year - but it is what it is, and currently legislation says you're not entitled to a refund if the flight leaves but you can't be on it for whatever reason.I completely understand, and agree - but Ryanair want you on there just as much as you want to be; the choice was taken away from them too.If they didn't let you board due to restrictions imposed on them by the Government, that wouldn't be their fault either - they're only following the rules passed onto them.
They're not though - the Government is preventing YOU, the public from travelling for leisure, not them from carrying you.
You're the one who isn't allowed the travel, none of the restrictions affect airlines themselves.
Ryanair are known for the complete opposite of this, which is why I refuse to give them money. If you want an airline that shows some mercy, either book with Easyjet, BA etc on a flexible ticket or book the other ULCC with their flex service.1 -
I'm not sure what they're doing with flight only in this case as I've never used them (I'm someone who prefers Albania over Greece, Odesa/Batumi over Spain and city breaks in Central/Eastern Europe more than Western, so end up trying a lot of mainly VFR routes. My clients are predominantly in that general direction too). Jet2 are supposed to be reasonably good though, and haven't had a lot of controversy, so hopefully they do what they say they will when they sayLeodogger said:
I normally fly with Jest2 and have found them to be fair and reasonable. I am still waiting for a refund, but they have promised it within 28 days and it is only 20 days so we will see if my faith is repaid ! LOLCKhalvashi said:
To change a flight that isn't cancelled requires goodwill on an airline.Leodogger said:
If that were the case, then NO other airline would be offering compensation but they are, so that blows your theory out of the water don't you think !mattyprice4004 said:Leodogger said:
Yes but they should offer compensation, they are breaking the contract with me, not I with them !mattyprice4004 said:Leodogger said:
The point is the choice has not been left to us, we want to be on it! Our choice has been taken away and for that WE are not to blame. I could turn up and they may or may not allow me to board, if they did not, that would be THEIR fault not mine if I were there to fly on time !mattyprice4004 said:Leodogger said:
I quite agree, the individual is the victim in all this, let the airlines slug it out with the government but give the passengers compensation by all means, it was not my fault I cannot travel!silvercar said:
It’s not individual’s fault either!mattyprice4004 said:Leodogger said:
Same for us travelling to Costa Del Sol, where my daughter lives they have hardly had any cases and some villages have had none, all the infection is in the north of Spain. If the FCDO bans travel out of the country, then the airlines must compensate those who were due to travel but at the moment Michael O'Leary said he is running a skeleton schedule for business travellers and no one will get a refund if they cancel their flights or fail to turn up!!Ben1989 said:
Let's hope not, for selfish reasons. The irony is, where I'll be travelling to, cases and deaths are 12x better than here. I'm safer travelling haha.epm-84 said:
The CEO of a travel consultancy firm appeared on Sky News this morning saying reliable industry sources are saying the FCDO is going to issue a new ruling against all non-essential overseas travel effective from 00:01 on Thursday, which will apply UK wide as FCDO responsibilities are not devolved. He also did specifically say it would be a ban, not just guidance against. It's understood those already abroad on non-essential business won't be asked to return home immediately but he also said many leisure airlines are ready to cancel flights from next week as soon as the FCDO advice is updated, meaning if you go away for 2 weeks on Wednesday you may be stuck there until restrictions in the UK are lifted.Leodogger said:
Those are the standard rules which I already knew about but the lockdown introduces new rules which have not been set out by the Gov until now but apparently they are going to issue a more comprehensive set of rules on Wednesday but what's the bet it will just be a confirmation of what we have already been told and as I said, the airports have been given no new guidance since temperatures were introduced after the last lockdown.bradders1983 said:
There are no restrictions on UK nationals entering Spain but do check the details in the 2nd grey box here...Leodogger said:Further update: To double check I spoke again to Ryainair chat line and they said they only need passport and tickets to check in but I should contact the embassy in the country I am heading to to check if that is all we will need from their end! Why the Spanish embassy would want to check why you are entering the country from the UK I don't know.
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/spain
The chat has told you to check with the embassy as that is their stock answer: all entry requirements are the responsibility of the passenger.Rightly so, it shouldn't be down to airlines if the Gov advice changes at the last minute (and thankfully it isn't).If anyone, be angry at the Government - it's not Ryanair's fault you can't travel, and thus they shouldn't (and won't) have to pick up the tab.That other airlines are being far more helpful shows Ryanair in a bad light.
BA will refund me if they cancel my flight or give me a future travel voucher if the flight goes ahead, but regulations mean I can’t use it.
people will remember in the future, who looked after their customers better.
It's not as simple as that - the airlines simply don't have the money to refund everyone, and it's not their fault you can't travel either.It's a Government restriction, any anger should be directed at them at not the airline.It's rubbish, I was in the same situation earlier in the year - but it is what it is, and currently legislation says you're not entitled to a refund if the flight leaves but you can't be on it for whatever reason.I completely understand, and agree - but Ryanair want you on there just as much as you want to be; the choice was taken away from them too.If they didn't let you board due to restrictions imposed on them by the Government, that wouldn't be their fault either - they're only following the rules passed onto them.
They're not though - the Government is preventing YOU, the public from travelling for leisure, not them from carrying you.
You're the one who isn't allowed the travel, none of the restrictions affect airlines themselves.
Ryanair are known for the complete opposite of this, which is why I refuse to give them money. If you want an airline that shows some mercy, either book with Easyjet, BA etc on a flexible ticket or book the other ULCC with their flex service.
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Leodogger said:
I normally fly with Jest2 and have found them to be fair and reasonable. I am still waiting for a refund, but they have promised it within 28 days and it is only 20 days so we will see if my faith is repaid ! LOLCKhalvashi said:
To change a flight that isn't cancelled requires goodwill on an airline.Leodogger said:
If that were the case, then NO other airline would be offering compensation but they are, so that blows your theory out of the water don't you think !mattyprice4004 said:Leodogger said:
Yes but they should offer compensation, they are breaking the contract with me, not I with them !mattyprice4004 said:Leodogger said:
The point is the choice has not been left to us, we want to be on it! Our choice has been taken away and for that WE are not to blame. I could turn up and they may or may not allow me to board, if they did not, that would be THEIR fault not mine if I were there to fly on time !mattyprice4004 said:Leodogger said:
I quite agree, the individual is the victim in all this, let the airlines slug it out with the government but give the passengers compensation by all means, it was not my fault I cannot travel!silvercar said:
It’s not individual’s fault either!mattyprice4004 said:Leodogger said:
Same for us travelling to Costa Del Sol, where my daughter lives they have hardly had any cases and some villages have had none, all the infection is in the north of Spain. If the FCDO bans travel out of the country, then the airlines must compensate those who were due to travel but at the moment Michael O'Leary said he is running a skeleton schedule for business travellers and no one will get a refund if they cancel their flights or fail to turn up!!Ben1989 said:
Let's hope not, for selfish reasons. The irony is, where I'll be travelling to, cases and deaths are 12x better than here. I'm safer travelling haha.epm-84 said:
The CEO of a travel consultancy firm appeared on Sky News this morning saying reliable industry sources are saying the FCDO is going to issue a new ruling against all non-essential overseas travel effective from 00:01 on Thursday, which will apply UK wide as FCDO responsibilities are not devolved. He also did specifically say it would be a ban, not just guidance against. It's understood those already abroad on non-essential business won't be asked to return home immediately but he also said many leisure airlines are ready to cancel flights from next week as soon as the FCDO advice is updated, meaning if you go away for 2 weeks on Wednesday you may be stuck there until restrictions in the UK are lifted.Leodogger said:
Those are the standard rules which I already knew about but the lockdown introduces new rules which have not been set out by the Gov until now but apparently they are going to issue a more comprehensive set of rules on Wednesday but what's the bet it will just be a confirmation of what we have already been told and as I said, the airports have been given no new guidance since temperatures were introduced after the last lockdown.bradders1983 said:
There are no restrictions on UK nationals entering Spain but do check the details in the 2nd grey box here...Leodogger said:Further update: To double check I spoke again to Ryainair chat line and they said they only need passport and tickets to check in but I should contact the embassy in the country I am heading to to check if that is all we will need from their end! Why the Spanish embassy would want to check why you are entering the country from the UK I don't know.
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/spain
The chat has told you to check with the embassy as that is their stock answer: all entry requirements are the responsibility of the passenger.Rightly so, it shouldn't be down to airlines if the Gov advice changes at the last minute (and thankfully it isn't).If anyone, be angry at the Government - it's not Ryanair's fault you can't travel, and thus they shouldn't (and won't) have to pick up the tab.That other airlines are being far more helpful shows Ryanair in a bad light.
BA will refund me if they cancel my flight or give me a future travel voucher if the flight goes ahead, but regulations mean I can’t use it.
people will remember in the future, who looked after their customers better.
It's not as simple as that - the airlines simply don't have the money to refund everyone, and it's not their fault you can't travel either.It's a Government restriction, any anger should be directed at them at not the airline.It's rubbish, I was in the same situation earlier in the year - but it is what it is, and currently legislation says you're not entitled to a refund if the flight leaves but you can't be on it for whatever reason.I completely understand, and agree - but Ryanair want you on there just as much as you want to be; the choice was taken away from them too.If they didn't let you board due to restrictions imposed on them by the Government, that wouldn't be their fault either - they're only following the rules passed onto them.
They're not though - the Government is preventing YOU, the public from travelling for leisure, not them from carrying you.
You're the one who isn't allowed the travel, none of the restrictions affect airlines themselves.
Ryanair are known for the complete opposite of this, which is why I refuse to give them money. If you want an airline that shows some mercy, either book with Easyjet, BA etc on a flexible ticket or book the other ULCC with their flex service.That's very good, but again - they are going above and beyond, whereas Ryanair just do the minimum.However judging by your responses and subsequent ignoring of posts that disagree with your view, I suspect you're only after replies that agree with you and aren't interested in the truth.1 -
We made a decision a few years ago, not to fly Ryanair, after 2 bad experiences in one year. So now, we don't even look at their prices as we aren't flying with them.CKhalvashi said:
To change a flight that isn't cancelled requires goodwill on an airline.Leodogger said:
If that were the case, then NO other airline would be offering compensation but they are, so that blows your theory out of the water don't you think !mattyprice4004 said:Leodogger said:
Yes but they should offer compensation, they are breaking the contract with me, not I with them !mattyprice4004 said:Leodogger said:
The point is the choice has not been left to us, we want to be on it! Our choice has been taken away and for that WE are not to blame. I could turn up and they may or may not allow me to board, if they did not, that would be THEIR fault not mine if I were there to fly on time !mattyprice4004 said:Leodogger said:
I quite agree, the individual is the victim in all this, let the airlines slug it out with the government but give the passengers compensation by all means, it was not my fault I cannot travel!silvercar said:
It’s not individual’s fault either!mattyprice4004 said:Leodogger said:
Same for us travelling to Costa Del Sol, where my daughter lives they have hardly had any cases and some villages have had none, all the infection is in the north of Spain. If the FCDO bans travel out of the country, then the airlines must compensate those who were due to travel but at the moment Michael O'Leary said he is running a skeleton schedule for business travellers and no one will get a refund if they cancel their flights or fail to turn up!!Ben1989 said:
Let's hope not, for selfish reasons. The irony is, where I'll be travelling to, cases and deaths are 12x better than here. I'm safer travelling haha.epm-84 said:
The CEO of a travel consultancy firm appeared on Sky News this morning saying reliable industry sources are saying the FCDO is going to issue a new ruling against all non-essential overseas travel effective from 00:01 on Thursday, which will apply UK wide as FCDO responsibilities are not devolved. He also did specifically say it would be a ban, not just guidance against. It's understood those already abroad on non-essential business won't be asked to return home immediately but he also said many leisure airlines are ready to cancel flights from next week as soon as the FCDO advice is updated, meaning if you go away for 2 weeks on Wednesday you may be stuck there until restrictions in the UK are lifted.Leodogger said:
Those are the standard rules which I already knew about but the lockdown introduces new rules which have not been set out by the Gov until now but apparently they are going to issue a more comprehensive set of rules on Wednesday but what's the bet it will just be a confirmation of what we have already been told and as I said, the airports have been given no new guidance since temperatures were introduced after the last lockdown.bradders1983 said:
There are no restrictions on UK nationals entering Spain but do check the details in the 2nd grey box here...Leodogger said:Further update: To double check I spoke again to Ryainair chat line and they said they only need passport and tickets to check in but I should contact the embassy in the country I am heading to to check if that is all we will need from their end! Why the Spanish embassy would want to check why you are entering the country from the UK I don't know.
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/spain
The chat has told you to check with the embassy as that is their stock answer: all entry requirements are the responsibility of the passenger.Rightly so, it shouldn't be down to airlines if the Gov advice changes at the last minute (and thankfully it isn't).If anyone, be angry at the Government - it's not Ryanair's fault you can't travel, and thus they shouldn't (and won't) have to pick up the tab.That other airlines are being far more helpful shows Ryanair in a bad light.
BA will refund me if they cancel my flight or give me a future travel voucher if the flight goes ahead, but regulations mean I can’t use it.
people will remember in the future, who looked after their customers better.
It's not as simple as that - the airlines simply don't have the money to refund everyone, and it's not their fault you can't travel either.It's a Government restriction, any anger should be directed at them at not the airline.It's rubbish, I was in the same situation earlier in the year - but it is what it is, and currently legislation says you're not entitled to a refund if the flight leaves but you can't be on it for whatever reason.I completely understand, and agree - but Ryanair want you on there just as much as you want to be; the choice was taken away from them too.If they didn't let you board due to restrictions imposed on them by the Government, that wouldn't be their fault either - they're only following the rules passed onto them.
They're not though - the Government is preventing YOU, the public from travelling for leisure, not them from carrying you.
You're the one who isn't allowed the travel, none of the restrictions affect airlines themselves.
Ryanair are known for the complete opposite of this, which is why I refuse to give them money. If you want an airline that shows some mercy, either book with Easyjet, BA etc on a flexible ticket or book the other ULCC with their flex service.I'm a Forum Ambassador on the housing, mortgages & student money saving boards. I volunteer to help get your forum questions answered and keep the forum running smoothly. Forum Ambassadors are not moderators and don't read every post. If you spot an illegal or inappropriate post then please report it to forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com (it's not part of my role to deal with this). Any views are mine and not the official line of MoneySavingExpert.com.2 -
I'd refused to use them from around 2011 until last year (when they were more than £150 cheaper than the next cheapest option on the same route). I used them to Poznan in March (more convenient flight times), had a trip booked to Gdansk in the first week of April which was cancelled and Riga in May (as they were the only carrier with a double daily on the day needed, both booked pre-Covid). It took threatening them with a Statutory Demand after being messed around for months to get the money back, so I personally definitely won't be using them again, and we have a company ban on reimbursements for business travel using Ryanair now (the official policy is "......cheapest reasonable choice excluding Ryanair or any affiliated companies").silvercar said:
We made a decision a few years ago, not to fly Ryanair, after 2 bad experiences in one year. So now, we don't even look at their prices as we aren't flying with them.CKhalvashi said:
To change a flight that isn't cancelled requires goodwill on an airline.Leodogger said:
If that were the case, then NO other airline would be offering compensation but they are, so that blows your theory out of the water don't you think !mattyprice4004 said:Leodogger said:
Yes but they should offer compensation, they are breaking the contract with me, not I with them !mattyprice4004 said:Leodogger said:
The point is the choice has not been left to us, we want to be on it! Our choice has been taken away and for that WE are not to blame. I could turn up and they may or may not allow me to board, if they did not, that would be THEIR fault not mine if I were there to fly on time !mattyprice4004 said:Leodogger said:
I quite agree, the individual is the victim in all this, let the airlines slug it out with the government but give the passengers compensation by all means, it was not my fault I cannot travel!silvercar said:
It’s not individual’s fault either!mattyprice4004 said:Leodogger said:
Same for us travelling to Costa Del Sol, where my daughter lives they have hardly had any cases and some villages have had none, all the infection is in the north of Spain. If the FCDO bans travel out of the country, then the airlines must compensate those who were due to travel but at the moment Michael O'Leary said he is running a skeleton schedule for business travellers and no one will get a refund if they cancel their flights or fail to turn up!!Ben1989 said:
Let's hope not, for selfish reasons. The irony is, where I'll be travelling to, cases and deaths are 12x better than here. I'm safer travelling haha.epm-84 said:
The CEO of a travel consultancy firm appeared on Sky News this morning saying reliable industry sources are saying the FCDO is going to issue a new ruling against all non-essential overseas travel effective from 00:01 on Thursday, which will apply UK wide as FCDO responsibilities are not devolved. He also did specifically say it would be a ban, not just guidance against. It's understood those already abroad on non-essential business won't be asked to return home immediately but he also said many leisure airlines are ready to cancel flights from next week as soon as the FCDO advice is updated, meaning if you go away for 2 weeks on Wednesday you may be stuck there until restrictions in the UK are lifted.Leodogger said:
Those are the standard rules which I already knew about but the lockdown introduces new rules which have not been set out by the Gov until now but apparently they are going to issue a more comprehensive set of rules on Wednesday but what's the bet it will just be a confirmation of what we have already been told and as I said, the airports have been given no new guidance since temperatures were introduced after the last lockdown.bradders1983 said:
There are no restrictions on UK nationals entering Spain but do check the details in the 2nd grey box here...Leodogger said:Further update: To double check I spoke again to Ryainair chat line and they said they only need passport and tickets to check in but I should contact the embassy in the country I am heading to to check if that is all we will need from their end! Why the Spanish embassy would want to check why you are entering the country from the UK I don't know.
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/spain
The chat has told you to check with the embassy as that is their stock answer: all entry requirements are the responsibility of the passenger.Rightly so, it shouldn't be down to airlines if the Gov advice changes at the last minute (and thankfully it isn't).If anyone, be angry at the Government - it's not Ryanair's fault you can't travel, and thus they shouldn't (and won't) have to pick up the tab.That other airlines are being far more helpful shows Ryanair in a bad light.
BA will refund me if they cancel my flight or give me a future travel voucher if the flight goes ahead, but regulations mean I can’t use it.
people will remember in the future, who looked after their customers better.
It's not as simple as that - the airlines simply don't have the money to refund everyone, and it's not their fault you can't travel either.It's a Government restriction, any anger should be directed at them at not the airline.It's rubbish, I was in the same situation earlier in the year - but it is what it is, and currently legislation says you're not entitled to a refund if the flight leaves but you can't be on it for whatever reason.I completely understand, and agree - but Ryanair want you on there just as much as you want to be; the choice was taken away from them too.If they didn't let you board due to restrictions imposed on them by the Government, that wouldn't be their fault either - they're only following the rules passed onto them.
They're not though - the Government is preventing YOU, the public from travelling for leisure, not them from carrying you.
You're the one who isn't allowed the travel, none of the restrictions affect airlines themselves.
Ryanair are known for the complete opposite of this, which is why I refuse to give them money. If you want an airline that shows some mercy, either book with Easyjet, BA etc on a flexible ticket or book the other ULCC with their flex service.💙💛 💔1 -
Not at all, I can't even figure out this confusing web site, let alone get to see all the replies! I only found out how to get replies sent to my email address yesterday, but don't let a little thing like the facts get in the way of your obvious maligning view.mattyprice4004 said:Leodogger said:
I normally fly with Jest2 and have found them to be fair and reasonable. I am still waiting for a refund, but they have promised it within 28 days and it is only 20 days so we will see if my faith is repaid ! LOLCKhalvashi said:
To change a flight that isn't cancelled requires goodwill on an airline.Leodogger said:
If that were the case, then NO other airline would be offering compensation but they are, so that blows your theory out of the water don't you think !mattyprice4004 said:Leodogger said:
Yes but they should offer compensation, they are breaking the contract with me, not I with them !mattyprice4004 said:Leodogger said:
The point is the choice has not been left to us, we want to be on it! Our choice has been taken away and for that WE are not to blame. I could turn up and they may or may not allow me to board, if they did not, that would be THEIR fault not mine if I were there to fly on time !mattyprice4004 said:Leodogger said:
I quite agree, the individual is the victim in all this, let the airlines slug it out with the government but give the passengers compensation by all means, it was not my fault I cannot travel!silvercar said:
It’s not individual’s fault either!mattyprice4004 said:Leodogger said:
Same for us travelling to Costa Del Sol, where my daughter lives they have hardly had any cases and some villages have had none, all the infection is in the north of Spain. If the FCDO bans travel out of the country, then the airlines must compensate those who were due to travel but at the moment Michael O'Leary said he is running a skeleton schedule for business travellers and no one will get a refund if they cancel their flights or fail to turn up!!Ben1989 said:
Let's hope not, for selfish reasons. The irony is, where I'll be travelling to, cases and deaths are 12x better than here. I'm safer travelling haha.epm-84 said:
The CEO of a travel consultancy firm appeared on Sky News this morning saying reliable industry sources are saying the FCDO is going to issue a new ruling against all non-essential overseas travel effective from 00:01 on Thursday, which will apply UK wide as FCDO responsibilities are not devolved. He also did specifically say it would be a ban, not just guidance against. It's understood those already abroad on non-essential business won't be asked to return home immediately but he also said many leisure airlines are ready to cancel flights from next week as soon as the FCDO advice is updated, meaning if you go away for 2 weeks on Wednesday you may be stuck there until restrictions in the UK are lifted.Leodogger said:
Those are the standard rules which I already knew about but the lockdown introduces new rules which have not been set out by the Gov until now but apparently they are going to issue a more comprehensive set of rules on Wednesday but what's the bet it will just be a confirmation of what we have already been told and as I said, the airports have been given no new guidance since temperatures were introduced after the last lockdown.bradders1983 said:
There are no restrictions on UK nationals entering Spain but do check the details in the 2nd grey box here...Leodogger said:Further update: To double check I spoke again to Ryainair chat line and they said they only need passport and tickets to check in but I should contact the embassy in the country I am heading to to check if that is all we will need from their end! Why the Spanish embassy would want to check why you are entering the country from the UK I don't know.
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/spain
The chat has told you to check with the embassy as that is their stock answer: all entry requirements are the responsibility of the passenger.Rightly so, it shouldn't be down to airlines if the Gov advice changes at the last minute (and thankfully it isn't).If anyone, be angry at the Government - it's not Ryanair's fault you can't travel, and thus they shouldn't (and won't) have to pick up the tab.That other airlines are being far more helpful shows Ryanair in a bad light.
BA will refund me if they cancel my flight or give me a future travel voucher if the flight goes ahead, but regulations mean I can’t use it.
people will remember in the future, who looked after their customers better.
It's not as simple as that - the airlines simply don't have the money to refund everyone, and it's not their fault you can't travel either.It's a Government restriction, any anger should be directed at them at not the airline.It's rubbish, I was in the same situation earlier in the year - but it is what it is, and currently legislation says you're not entitled to a refund if the flight leaves but you can't be on it for whatever reason.I completely understand, and agree - but Ryanair want you on there just as much as you want to be; the choice was taken away from them too.If they didn't let you board due to restrictions imposed on them by the Government, that wouldn't be their fault either - they're only following the rules passed onto them.
They're not though - the Government is preventing YOU, the public from travelling for leisure, not them from carrying you.
You're the one who isn't allowed the travel, none of the restrictions affect airlines themselves.
Ryanair are known for the complete opposite of this, which is why I refuse to give them money. If you want an airline that shows some mercy, either book with Easyjet, BA etc on a flexible ticket or book the other ULCC with their flex service.That's very good, but again - they are going above and beyond, whereas Ryanair just do the minimum.However judging by your responses and subsequent ignoring of posts that disagree with your view, I suspect you're only after replies that agree with you and aren't interested in the truth.0 -
Leodogger said:
No insurance company covers you for any items relating to Covid unless you took it out before the pandemic hit us !epm-84 said:
For those who have booked a package or have suitable insurance banning non-essential travel is what will trigger a refund/insurance payout.Leodogger said:
The Foreign Office is putting out new advice Thursday morning to ban all non-essential travel, pity they are not offering a refund too on holidays booked BEFORE March !! Easy to throw out these rules left, right and centre. How many deaths will they have on their hands from suicides which are soaring.JamoLew said:
A holiday is NOT essential travel - be prepared to be turned around
BBC: From Thursday, holidays both inside England and abroad will be banned until 2 December, as the government tries to stop a second wave of coronavirus from spreading.
Independant: Overnight stays and holidays away from primary residences will not be allowed – including holidays in the UK and abroad.
guess I can ignore all the other "advice" when I go back into work in an NHS hospital tomorrow as well then
Yey - no more mask, no more wrecked hands from washing etc - don't worry, the patients will be fine
Unfortunately, those who booked flights with Ryanair and have insurance which excludes anything related to COVID-19 are screwed.
Incorrect. Coverwise and Staysure provide some cover relating to COVID-19 but not against every possible scenario which might be related to COVID.
https://www.coverwise.co.uk/Travel-Insurance/corona-virus.aspx
https://www.staysure.co.uk/coronavirus-travel-insurance/
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Yes the thing about Ryanair is even with add-ons like checked baggage they can be significantly cheaper than other airlines if booked at the right time. If it's £80pp return with Ryanair or £150pp with another airline then people, in the knowledge Ryanair customer service is terrible, will think an extra £70pp for increased assurance is a bit pricey.mattyprice4004 said:silvercar said:
It’s not individual’s fault either!mattyprice4004 said:Leodogger said:
Same for us travelling to Costa Del Sol, where my daughter lives they have hardly had any cases and some villages have had none, all the infection is in the north of Spain. If the FCDO bans travel out of the country, then the airlines must compensate those who were due to travel but at the moment Michael O'Leary said he is running a skeleton schedule for business travellers and no one will get a refund if they cancel their flights or fail to turn up!!Ben1989 said:
Let's hope not, for selfish reasons. The irony is, where I'll be travelling to, cases and deaths are 12x better than here. I'm safer travelling haha.epm-84 said:
The CEO of a travel consultancy firm appeared on Sky News this morning saying reliable industry sources are saying the FCDO is going to issue a new ruling against all non-essential overseas travel effective from 00:01 on Thursday, which will apply UK wide as FCDO responsibilities are not devolved. He also did specifically say it would be a ban, not just guidance against. It's understood those already abroad on non-essential business won't be asked to return home immediately but he also said many leisure airlines are ready to cancel flights from next week as soon as the FCDO advice is updated, meaning if you go away for 2 weeks on Wednesday you may be stuck there until restrictions in the UK are lifted.Leodogger said:
Those are the standard rules which I already knew about but the lockdown introduces new rules which have not been set out by the Gov until now but apparently they are going to issue a more comprehensive set of rules on Wednesday but what's the bet it will just be a confirmation of what we have already been told and as I said, the airports have been given no new guidance since temperatures were introduced after the last lockdown.bradders1983 said:
There are no restrictions on UK nationals entering Spain but do check the details in the 2nd grey box here...Leodogger said:Further update: To double check I spoke again to Ryainair chat line and they said they only need passport and tickets to check in but I should contact the embassy in the country I am heading to to check if that is all we will need from their end! Why the Spanish embassy would want to check why you are entering the country from the UK I don't know.
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/spain
The chat has told you to check with the embassy as that is their stock answer: all entry requirements are the responsibility of the passenger.Rightly so, it shouldn't be down to airlines if the Gov advice changes at the last minute (and thankfully it isn't).If anyone, be angry at the Government - it's not Ryanair's fault you can't travel, and thus they shouldn't (and won't) have to pick up the tab.That other airlines are being far more helpful shows Ryanair in a bad light.
BA will refund me if they cancel my flight or give me a future travel voucher if the flight goes ahead, but regulations mean I can’t use it.
people will remember in the future, who looked after their customers better.I agree with you completely - it's terrible customer service, but that won't bother Mr O'leary a jot.The awful truth is money speaks, and while a good few people will likely choose other airlines a lot will still fly with Ryanair purely down to the low prices.0 -
I have just been looking at Staysure for next year and it doesn't cover you for Covid whilst you are away if you go against Foreign Office Advice, even with their extra cover which falsely claims to cover you for Covid, it only covers you for BEFORE you go on your trip. You need to read the small print.epm-84 said:Leodogger said:
No insurance company covers you for any items relating to Covid unless you took it out before the pandemic hit us !epm-84 said:
For those who have booked a package or have suitable insurance banning non-essential travel is what will trigger a refund/insurance payout.Leodogger said:
The Foreign Office is putting out new advice Thursday morning to ban all non-essential travel, pity they are not offering a refund too on holidays booked BEFORE March !! Easy to throw out these rules left, right and centre. How many deaths will they have on their hands from suicides which are soaring.JamoLew said:
A holiday is NOT essential travel - be prepared to be turned around
BBC: From Thursday, holidays both inside England and abroad will be banned until 2 December, as the government tries to stop a second wave of coronavirus from spreading.
Independant: Overnight stays and holidays away from primary residences will not be allowed – including holidays in the UK and abroad.
guess I can ignore all the other "advice" when I go back into work in an NHS hospital tomorrow as well then
Yey - no more mask, no more wrecked hands from washing etc - don't worry, the patients will be fine
Unfortunately, those who booked flights with Ryanair and have insurance which excludes anything related to COVID-19 are screwed.
Incorrect. Coverwise and Staysure provide some cover relating to COVID-19 but not against every possible scenario which might be related to COVID.
https://www.coverwise.co.uk/Travel-Insurance/corona-virus.aspx
https://www.staysure.co.uk/coronavirus-travel-insurance/0 -
You need to check the current situation with your daughter as Spain has declared a state of emergency.Leodogger said:We were due to fly on Friday (rotten luck eh?) to Spain to visit our daughter for a couple of months and wondered if we would be stopped at the airport and therefore lose our flights? Is there any guidance on whether you are just fined or what, as to change the flights Ryanair kindly said we could change without charge until in the small print it says "under 7 days" you have to pay the admin charge of £35 per person plus the extra charge on the price of the new flights ! We were going to just push the flights back to 4th Dec and stomach the admin charge but now they are talking it could be extended so Christmas out the window ! Did ring Ryanair to ask if they would be cancelling the flight for us to get a refund or a free change of flight date but he said they had no guidance on it at the moment and haven't heard anything, yet we only got 6 days notice from Boris's announcement to try to change the dates and it seems totally unfair that no refund is being offered if we are not entitled to fly through no fault of our own! If we change again this will be the 5th attempt to try to book our break in Spain too, so I am pretty peed off ! 😒😒😒
I know that travel into or out of Seville and Madrid are banned apart from essential reasons such as medical or work. Spain don't mess about and enforce the rules strictly0
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