November 2020 international travel rules

cubegame

sheramber said:

cubegame said:

As predicted, The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) 

(No. 4) Regulations 2020 don't mention a travel ban.

It does say
Restrictions on leaving home 5.—(1) No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse. (2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)— (a) the circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse include where one of the exceptions set out in regulation 6 applies; (b) the place where a person is living includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises. 

 Travelling to go on holiday is not one of the exceptions  set out in regulation 6. 

And the loophole is that if you proceed to leave the country you can't be committing an offence.

epm-84

cubegame said:

sheramber said:

cubegame said:

As predicted, The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) 

(No. 4) Regulations 2020 don't mention a travel ban.

It does say
Restrictions on leaving home 5.—(1) No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse. (2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)— (a) the circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse include where one of the exceptions set out in regulation 6 applies; (b) the place where a person is living includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises. 

 Travelling to go on holiday is not one of the exceptions  set out in regulation 6. 

And the loophole is that if you proceed to leave the country you can't be committing an offence.

It sounds like the 'loophole' being referred to is once you're on a plane taking off you're clear.  Does it cover travelling to the airport for non-essential purposes or entering a terminal (an enclosed space) for non-essential purposes? It's worth noting even pre-lockdown airports are locking and opening terminal doors depending on the number of imminent departures and there may be a monitored designated entry door for your flight/airline, where someone might check you are flying to be allowed in and not just seeing someone off.  With fewer passengers and flights it would be easy for the police force to put a couple of officers at one of the doors.

Leodogger

epm-84 said:

cubegame said:

sheramber said:

cubegame said:

As predicted, The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) 

(No. 4) Regulations 2020 don't mention a travel ban.

It does say
Restrictions on leaving home 5.—(1) No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse. (2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)— (a) the circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse include where one of the exceptions set out in regulation 6 applies; (b) the place where a person is living includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises. 

 Travelling to go on holiday is not one of the exceptions  set out in regulation 6. 

And the loophole is that if you proceed to leave the country you can't be committing an offence.

It sounds like the 'loophole' being referred to is once you're on a plane taking off you're clear.  Does it cover travelling to the airport for non-essential purposes or entering a terminal (an enclosed space) for non-essential purposes? It's worth noting even pre-lockdown airports are locking and opening terminal doors depending on the number of imminent departures and there may be a monitored designated entry door for your flight/airline, where someone might check you are flying to be allowed in and not just seeing someone off.  With fewer passengers and flights it would be easy for the police force to put a couple of officers at one of the doors.

You are quite right of course.  Michael O'Leary says he is running the planes against the law for "business travellers".   My son has flown on Ryanair very often for his company and said at this time of year with people all working on furlough at home, the number travelling on business would be in single figures, so how can he afford to run a plane for half a dozen people as all the rest presumably going on holiday will be moving to other flights?

silvercar

Leodogger said:

epm-84 said:

cubegame said:

sheramber said:

cubegame said:

As predicted, The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) 

(No. 4) Regulations 2020 don't mention a travel ban.

It does say
Restrictions on leaving home 5.—(1) No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse. (2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)— (a) the circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse include where one of the exceptions set out in regulation 6 applies; (b) the place where a person is living includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises. 

 Travelling to go on holiday is not one of the exceptions  set out in regulation 6. 

And the loophole is that if you proceed to leave the country you can't be committing an offence.

It sounds like the 'loophole' being referred to is once you're on a plane taking off you're clear.  Does it cover travelling to the airport for non-essential purposes or entering a terminal (an enclosed space) for non-essential purposes? It's worth noting even pre-lockdown airports are locking and opening terminal doors depending on the number of imminent departures and there may be a monitored designated entry door for your flight/airline, where someone might check you are flying to be allowed in and not just seeing someone off.  With fewer passengers and flights it would be easy for the police force to put a couple of officers at one of the doors.

You are quite right of course.  Michael O'Leary says he is running the planes against the law for "business travellers".   My son has flown on Ryanair very often for his company and said at this time of year with people all working on furlough at home, the number travelling on business would be in single figures, so how can he afford to run a plane for half a dozen people as all the rest presumably going on holiday will be moving to other flights?

O'Leary seems to have decided that is financially better to run planes empty that provide refunds to customers.

silvercar

epm-84 said:

cubegame said:

sheramber said:

cubegame said:

As predicted, The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) 

(No. 4) Regulations 2020 don't mention a travel ban.

It does say
Restrictions on leaving home 5.—(1) No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse. (2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)— (a) the circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse include where one of the exceptions set out in regulation 6 applies; (b) the place where a person is living includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises. 

 Travelling to go on holiday is not one of the exceptions  set out in regulation 6. 

And the loophole is that if you proceed to leave the country you can't be committing an offence.

It sounds like the 'loophole' being referred to is once you're on a plane taking off you're clear.  Does it cover travelling to the airport for non-essential purposes or entering a terminal (an enclosed space) for non-essential purposes? It's worth noting even pre-lockdown airports are locking and opening terminal doors depending on the number of imminent departures and there may be a monitored designated entry door for your flight/airline, where someone might check you are flying to be allowed in and not just seeing someone off.  With fewer passengers and flights it would be easy for the police force to put a couple of officers at one of the doors.

No it doesn't. The travel to the airport for non-essential purposes is where you could be caught.
You could also be caught on your return, where your passenger locator form would show that you left the country after lockdown. I guess you would be less bothered on your return, depending on what fine you could receive. PLFs will definitely be checked to ensure that those required to isolate are doing so, it would be fairly easy to spot those who travelled after tomorrow.

superbigal

Ryanair will clearly still cancel the odd flight where the numbers do not stack up and "refunds" are at the point substantially cheaper than operating costs. .   That of course is a conundrum that no one is going to know.  The more people that are actually rescheduled the more likely that is.  Clearly in flights where it is uneconomic for people to reschedule Ryanair will collect all that money for empty seats and the flights will continue.
The business angle is of course simply smoke and mirrors.   

Thrugelmir

silvercar said:

Leodogger said:

epm-84 said:

cubegame said:

sheramber said:

cubegame said:

As predicted, The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) 

(No. 4) Regulations 2020 don't mention a travel ban.

It does say
Restrictions on leaving home 5.—(1) No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse. (2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)— (a) the circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse include where one of the exceptions set out in regulation 6 applies; (b) the place where a person is living includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises. 

 Travelling to go on holiday is not one of the exceptions  set out in regulation 6. 

And the loophole is that if you proceed to leave the country you can't be committing an offence.

It sounds like the 'loophole' being referred to is once you're on a plane taking off you're clear.  Does it cover travelling to the airport for non-essential purposes or entering a terminal (an enclosed space) for non-essential purposes? It's worth noting even pre-lockdown airports are locking and opening terminal doors depending on the number of imminent departures and there may be a monitored designated entry door for your flight/airline, where someone might check you are flying to be allowed in and not just seeing someone off.  With fewer passengers and flights it would be easy for the police force to put a couple of officers at one of the doors.

You are quite right of course.  Michael O'Leary says he is running the planes against the law for "business travellers".   My son has flown on Ryanair very often for his company and said at this time of year with people all working on furlough at home, the number travelling on business would be in single figures, so how can he afford to run a plane for half a dozen people as all the rest presumably going on holiday will be moving to other flights?

O'Leary seems to have decided that is financially better to run planes empty that provide refunds to customers.

Pilots need to maintain flying hours, landing slots have to be used, cargo needs to be carried..........

epm-84

superbigal said:

Ryanair will clearly still cancel the odd flight where the numbers do not stack up and "refunds" are at the point substantially cheaper than operating costs.  

They will have to cancel some flights as other European countries are implementing stricter measures e.g. the Greek government have ordered Thessaloniki airport to close for two weeks so even today Ryanair have cancelled Thessaloniki flights e.g.
https://www.manchesterairport.co.uk/flight-information/arrivals/itinerary/?id=FR3129-20201104A

That could directly affect which other flights they do and don't operate due to planes being out-of-position and different airports charging different rates for airlines to park their aircraft at their airports.

sheramber

Leodogger said:

 bradders1983 said:

cubegame said:

As predicted, The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) 

(No. 4) Regulations 2020 don't mention a travel ban.

Well there we go then. Leodogger, enjoy your trip.

What is the Health Protection rules for ?   Wouldn't these be over ridden by a new Gov law passed on the lockdown rules?   I am genuinely confused now.

The lockdown laws are done under  The Health Protection Regulations as the virus is a threat to public health.

epm-84

Thrugelmir said:

silvercar said:

Leodogger said:

epm-84 said:

cubegame said:

sheramber said:

cubegame said:

As predicted, The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) 

(No. 4) Regulations 2020 don't mention a travel ban.

It does say
Restrictions on leaving home 5.—(1) No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse. (2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)— (a) the circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse include where one of the exceptions set out in regulation 6 applies; (b) the place where a person is living includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises. 

 Travelling to go on holiday is not one of the exceptions  set out in regulation 6. 

And the loophole is that if you proceed to leave the country you can't be committing an offence.

It sounds like the 'loophole' being referred to is once you're on a plane taking off you're clear.  Does it cover travelling to the airport for non-essential purposes or entering a terminal (an enclosed space) for non-essential purposes? It's worth noting even pre-lockdown airports are locking and opening terminal doors depending on the number of imminent departures and there may be a monitored designated entry door for your flight/airline, where someone might check you are flying to be allowed in and not just seeing someone off.  With fewer passengers and flights it would be easy for the police force to put a couple of officers at one of the doors.

You are quite right of course.  Michael O'Leary says he is running the planes against the law for "business travellers".   My son has flown on Ryanair very often for his company and said at this time of year with people all working on furlough at home, the number travelling on business would be in single figures, so how can he afford to run a plane for half a dozen people as all the rest presumably going on holiday will be moving to other flights?

O'Leary seems to have decided that is financially better to run planes empty that provide refunds to customers.

Pilots need to maintain flying hours, landing slots have to be used, cargo needs to be carried..........

I'm sure Grant Shapps said during the last lockdown that a change had been made to legislation so that airlines didn't need to fly empty planes just to prevent losing their slot to a rival airline.