November 2020 international travel rules

bradders1983

Leodogger said:

epm-84 said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

cubegame said:

epm-84 said:

cubegame said:

sheramber said:

cubegame said:

As predicted, The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) 

(No. 4) Regulations 2020 don't mention a travel ban.

It does say
Restrictions on leaving home 5.—(1) No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse. (2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)— (a) the circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse include where one of the exceptions set out in regulation 6 applies; (b) the place where a person is living includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises. 

 Travelling to go on holiday is not one of the exceptions  set out in regulation 6. 

And the loophole is that if you proceed to leave the country you can't be committing an offence.

It sounds like the 'loophole' being referred to is once you're on a plane taking off you're clear.  Does it cover travelling to the airport for non-essential purposes or entering a terminal (an enclosed space) for non-essential purposes? It's worth noting even pre-lockdown airports are locking and opening terminal doors depending on the number of imminent departures and there may be a monitored designated entry door for your flight/airline, where someone might check you are flying to be allowed in and not just seeing someone off.  With fewer passengers and flights it would be easy for the police force to put a couple of officers at one of the doors.

So the simple act of carrying a printed out email confirming a medical appointment or a property viewing would suffice......it's not difficult to outthink this.

A "property viewing" isn't going to Spain on "essential business" or for "work commitments" !

Quite sure the legislation has certain exemptions surrounding housing...who has to say the house has to be in England? Nudge nudge wink wink.

Well I have read all the regulations and it looks pretty clear to me and there is nothing around housing I would suggest.

You need to read it again. The following are allowed...

(g)to undertake any of the following activities in connection with the purchase, sale, letting or rental of a residential property—

(i)visiting estate or letting agents, developer sales offices or show homes;

(ii)viewing residential properties to look for a property to buy or to rent;

(iii)preparing a residential property to move in;

(iv)moving house;

(v)visiting a residential property to undertake any activities required for the rental or sale of that property

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/regulation/6/made

You would surely still  have to provide documentation to prove it, they are not going to go on what you tell them.  Anyone could lie LOL !

Also not hard to book a house viewing in advance and just not turn up for it when you get there. 

The police can easily tell you the house on the market isn't in the direction of the airport from where they stop you and point you in the correct direction for the house viewing.

Pretty hard for them to do to stop you at a UK airport if the viewing is in Spain for example !

He was being silly - suggesting that if you had to travel north to go to Manchester Airport they could point you back south to go to Spain

Leodogger

Anyway how is "viewing a property" essential, you can do that anytime after the lockdown!

bradders1983

Leodogger said:

Anyway how is "viewing a property" essential, you can do that anytime after the lockdown!

They are cacking themselves about the economy whilst also trying to keep Chris Whitty and his band of unelected scientists happy. Not surprised to see the exceptions in there.

cubegame

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

cubegame said:

epm-84 said:

cubegame said:

sheramber said:

cubegame said:

As predicted, The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) 

(No. 4) Regulations 2020 don't mention a travel ban.

It does say
Restrictions on leaving home 5.—(1) No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse. (2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)— (a) the circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse include where one of the exceptions set out in regulation 6 applies; (b) the place where a person is living includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises. 

 Travelling to go on holiday is not one of the exceptions  set out in regulation 6. 

And the loophole is that if you proceed to leave the country you can't be committing an offence.

It sounds like the 'loophole' being referred to is once you're on a plane taking off you're clear.  Does it cover travelling to the airport for non-essential purposes or entering a terminal (an enclosed space) for non-essential purposes? It's worth noting even pre-lockdown airports are locking and opening terminal doors depending on the number of imminent departures and there may be a monitored designated entry door for your flight/airline, where someone might check you are flying to be allowed in and not just seeing someone off.  With fewer passengers and flights it would be easy for the police force to put a couple of officers at one of the doors.

So the simple act of carrying a printed out email confirming a medical appointment or a property viewing would suffice......it's not difficult to outthink this.

A "property viewing" isn't going to Spain on "essential business" or for "work commitments" !

Quite sure the legislation has certain exemptions surrounding housing...who has to say the house has to be in England? Nudge nudge wink wink.

Well I have read all the regulations and it looks pretty clear to me and there is nothing around housing I would suggest.

You need to read it again. The following are allowed...

(g)to undertake any of the following activities in connection with the purchase, sale, letting or rental of a residential property—

(i)visiting estate or letting agents, developer sales offices or show homes;

(ii)viewing residential properties to look for a property to buy or to rent;

(iii)preparing a residential property to move in;

(iv)moving house;

(v)visiting a residential property to undertake any activities required for the rental or sale of that property

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/regulation/6/made

Exactly....and who really thinks that some plod will tell you to return home when presented with evidence of your overseas property viewing.....?

epm-84

bradders1983 said:

epm-84 said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

cubegame said:

epm-84 said:

cubegame said:

sheramber said:

cubegame said:

As predicted, The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) 

(No. 4) Regulations 2020 don't mention a travel ban.

It does say
Restrictions on leaving home 5.—(1) No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse. (2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)— (a) the circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse include where one of the exceptions set out in regulation 6 applies; (b) the place where a person is living includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises. 

 Travelling to go on holiday is not one of the exceptions  set out in regulation 6. 

And the loophole is that if you proceed to leave the country you can't be committing an offence.

It sounds like the 'loophole' being referred to is once you're on a plane taking off you're clear.  Does it cover travelling to the airport for non-essential purposes or entering a terminal (an enclosed space) for non-essential purposes? It's worth noting even pre-lockdown airports are locking and opening terminal doors depending on the number of imminent departures and there may be a monitored designated entry door for your flight/airline, where someone might check you are flying to be allowed in and not just seeing someone off.  With fewer passengers and flights it would be easy for the police force to put a couple of officers at one of the doors.

So the simple act of carrying a printed out email confirming a medical appointment or a property viewing would suffice......it's not difficult to outthink this.

A "property viewing" isn't going to Spain on "essential business" or for "work commitments" !

Quite sure the legislation has certain exemptions surrounding housing...who has to say the house has to be in England? Nudge nudge wink wink.

Well I have read all the regulations and it looks pretty clear to me and there is nothing around housing I would suggest.

You need to read it again. The following are allowed...

(g)to undertake any of the following activities in connection with the purchase, sale, letting or rental of a residential property—

(i)visiting estate or letting agents, developer sales offices or show homes;

(ii)viewing residential properties to look for a property to buy or to rent;

(iii)preparing a residential property to move in;

(iv)moving house;

(v)visiting a residential property to undertake any activities required for the rental or sale of that property

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/regulation/6/made

You would surely still  have to provide documentation to prove it, they are not going to go on what you tell them.  Anyone could lie LOL !

Also not hard to book a house viewing in advance and just not turn up for it when you get there. 

The police can easily tell you the house on the market isn't in the direction of the airport from where they stop you and point you in the correct direction for the house viewing.

And what about if the house is in Spain?

Many EU countries have COVID related restrictions in place, viewing a house in another country may not be allowed under local restrictions which would make it impossible to get an appointment, whether you plan to turn up or not.

epm-84

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

epm-84 said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

cubegame said:

epm-84 said:

cubegame said:

sheramber said:

cubegame said:

As predicted, The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) 

(No. 4) Regulations 2020 don't mention a travel ban.

It does say
Restrictions on leaving home 5.—(1) No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse. (2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)— (a) the circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse include where one of the exceptions set out in regulation 6 applies; (b) the place where a person is living includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises. 

 Travelling to go on holiday is not one of the exceptions  set out in regulation 6. 

And the loophole is that if you proceed to leave the country you can't be committing an offence.

It sounds like the 'loophole' being referred to is once you're on a plane taking off you're clear.  Does it cover travelling to the airport for non-essential purposes or entering a terminal (an enclosed space) for non-essential purposes? It's worth noting even pre-lockdown airports are locking and opening terminal doors depending on the number of imminent departures and there may be a monitored designated entry door for your flight/airline, where someone might check you are flying to be allowed in and not just seeing someone off.  With fewer passengers and flights it would be easy for the police force to put a couple of officers at one of the doors.

So the simple act of carrying a printed out email confirming a medical appointment or a property viewing would suffice......it's not difficult to outthink this.

A "property viewing" isn't going to Spain on "essential business" or for "work commitments" !

Quite sure the legislation has certain exemptions surrounding housing...who has to say the house has to be in England? Nudge nudge wink wink.

Well I have read all the regulations and it looks pretty clear to me and there is nothing around housing I would suggest.

You need to read it again. The following are allowed...

(g)to undertake any of the following activities in connection with the purchase, sale, letting or rental of a residential property—

(i)visiting estate or letting agents, developer sales offices or show homes;

(ii)viewing residential properties to look for a property to buy or to rent;

(iii)preparing a residential property to move in;

(iv)moving house;

(v)visiting a residential property to undertake any activities required for the rental or sale of that property

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/regulation/6/made

You would surely still  have to provide documentation to prove it, they are not going to go on what you tell them.  Anyone could lie LOL !

Also not hard to book a house viewing in advance and just not turn up for it when you get there. 

The police can easily tell you the house on the market isn't in the direction of the airport from where they stop you and point you in the correct direction for the house viewing.

Pretty hard for them to do to stop you at a UK airport if the viewing is in Spain for example !

He was being silly - suggesting that if you had to travel north to go to Manchester Airport they could point you back south to go to Spain

No you didn't say your hypothetical house viewing was in Spain or outside the UK until after I posted that.  I was presuming you meant you would book a house viewing somewhere close to the airport e.g. Hale Barns or Heald Green as an excuse to travel in the general direction of an airport, meaning if the police stopped you on Runger Lane asking the purpose of your journey they could point out you're going the wrong way for your house viewing.  You were being silly in presuming everyone knew what you were thinking before you actually said it.

bradders1983

epm-84 said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

epm-84 said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

cubegame said:

epm-84 said:

cubegame said:

sheramber said:

cubegame said:

As predicted, The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) 

(No. 4) Regulations 2020 don't mention a travel ban.

It does say
Restrictions on leaving home 5.—(1) No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse. (2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)— (a) the circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse include where one of the exceptions set out in regulation 6 applies; (b) the place where a person is living includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises. 

 Travelling to go on holiday is not one of the exceptions  set out in regulation 6. 

And the loophole is that if you proceed to leave the country you can't be committing an offence.

It sounds like the 'loophole' being referred to is once you're on a plane taking off you're clear.  Does it cover travelling to the airport for non-essential purposes or entering a terminal (an enclosed space) for non-essential purposes? It's worth noting even pre-lockdown airports are locking and opening terminal doors depending on the number of imminent departures and there may be a monitored designated entry door for your flight/airline, where someone might check you are flying to be allowed in and not just seeing someone off.  With fewer passengers and flights it would be easy for the police force to put a couple of officers at one of the doors.

So the simple act of carrying a printed out email confirming a medical appointment or a property viewing would suffice......it's not difficult to outthink this.

A "property viewing" isn't going to Spain on "essential business" or for "work commitments" !

Quite sure the legislation has certain exemptions surrounding housing...who has to say the house has to be in England? Nudge nudge wink wink.

Well I have read all the regulations and it looks pretty clear to me and there is nothing around housing I would suggest.

You need to read it again. The following are allowed...

(g)to undertake any of the following activities in connection with the purchase, sale, letting or rental of a residential property—

(i)visiting estate or letting agents, developer sales offices or show homes;

(ii)viewing residential properties to look for a property to buy or to rent;

(iii)preparing a residential property to move in;

(iv)moving house;

(v)visiting a residential property to undertake any activities required for the rental or sale of that property

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/regulation/6/made

You would surely still  have to provide documentation to prove it, they are not going to go on what you tell them.  Anyone could lie LOL !

Also not hard to book a house viewing in advance and just not turn up for it when you get there. 

The police can easily tell you the house on the market isn't in the direction of the airport from where they stop you and point you in the correct direction for the house viewing.

Pretty hard for them to do to stop you at a UK airport if the viewing is in Spain for example !

He was being silly - suggesting that if you had to travel north to go to Manchester Airport they could point you back south to go to Spain

No you didn't say your hypothetical house viewing was in Spain or outside the UK until after I posted that.  I was presuming you meant you would book a house viewing somewhere close to the airport e.g. Hale Barns or Heald Green as an excuse to travel in the general direction of an airport, meaning if the police stopped you on Runger Lane asking the purpose of your journey they could point out you're going the wrong way for your house viewing.  You were being silly in presuming everyone knew what you were thinking before you actually said it.

Well no, I was having a conversation with someone who is going to Spain, it was fairly obvious I was suggesting someone could book a house viewing in Spain in order to travel.

epm-84

bradders1983 said:

epm-84 said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

epm-84 said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

cubegame said:

epm-84 said:

cubegame said:

sheramber said:

cubegame said:

As predicted, The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) 

(No. 4) Regulations 2020 don't mention a travel ban.

It does say
Restrictions on leaving home 5.—(1) No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse. (2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)— (a) the circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse include where one of the exceptions set out in regulation 6 applies; (b) the place where a person is living includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises. 

 Travelling to go on holiday is not one of the exceptions  set out in regulation 6. 

And the loophole is that if you proceed to leave the country you can't be committing an offence.

It sounds like the 'loophole' being referred to is once you're on a plane taking off you're clear.  Does it cover travelling to the airport for non-essential purposes or entering a terminal (an enclosed space) for non-essential purposes? It's worth noting even pre-lockdown airports are locking and opening terminal doors depending on the number of imminent departures and there may be a monitored designated entry door for your flight/airline, where someone might check you are flying to be allowed in and not just seeing someone off.  With fewer passengers and flights it would be easy for the police force to put a couple of officers at one of the doors.

So the simple act of carrying a printed out email confirming a medical appointment or a property viewing would suffice......it's not difficult to outthink this.

A "property viewing" isn't going to Spain on "essential business" or for "work commitments" !

Quite sure the legislation has certain exemptions surrounding housing...who has to say the house has to be in England? Nudge nudge wink wink.

Well I have read all the regulations and it looks pretty clear to me and there is nothing around housing I would suggest.

You need to read it again. The following are allowed...

(g)to undertake any of the following activities in connection with the purchase, sale, letting or rental of a residential property—

(i)visiting estate or letting agents, developer sales offices or show homes;

(ii)viewing residential properties to look for a property to buy or to rent;

(iii)preparing a residential property to move in;

(iv)moving house;

(v)visiting a residential property to undertake any activities required for the rental or sale of that property

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/regulation/6/made

You would surely still  have to provide documentation to prove it, they are not going to go on what you tell them.  Anyone could lie LOL !

Also not hard to book a house viewing in advance and just not turn up for it when you get there. 

The police can easily tell you the house on the market isn't in the direction of the airport from where they stop you and point you in the correct direction for the house viewing.

Pretty hard for them to do to stop you at a UK airport if the viewing is in Spain for example !

He was being silly - suggesting that if you had to travel north to go to Manchester Airport they could point you back south to go to Spain

No you didn't say your hypothetical house viewing was in Spain or outside the UK until after I posted that.  I was presuming you meant you would book a house viewing somewhere close to the airport e.g. Hale Barns or Heald Green as an excuse to travel in the general direction of an airport, meaning if the police stopped you on Runger Lane asking the purpose of your journey they could point out you're going the wrong way for your house viewing.  You were being silly in presuming everyone knew what you were thinking before you actually said it.

Well no, I was having a conversation with someone who is going to Spain, it was fairly obvious I was suggesting someone could book a house viewing in Spain in order to travel.

The post I replied to was where you said:
"Exactly. But if you are going for one of those reasons it wouldnt be tricky to prove. Also not hard to book a house viewing in advance and just not turn up for it when you get there. "

AFTER I replied to that, you posted two minutes later:
"And what about if the house is in Spain?"

Sorry I'm not psychic so I can't tell what you say before you actually say it, it looks like the person you were discussing with was the person I blocked yesterday after he was extremely rude when I posted helpful advice in reply to one of his posts.  Therefore, I don't see any of his posts now but I do still see what you choose to include in quotes and what you included in quotes for your first post made no mention of Spain or a foreign house viewing.

bradders1983

Well I cant account for you blocking people now, can I? No mistake here, you putting people on block means you chose to only see part of the conversation, hardly my fault now is it?

epm-84

bradders1983 said:

Well I cant account for you blocking people now, can I? No mistake here, you putting people on block means you chose to only see part of the conversation, hardly my fault now is it?

Just looked at all the posts by logging out. Even if I hadn't muted someone else you presumed someone replying to your post would have seen a post someone else had posted on an earlier page of the thread (when there's 180 posts), which you didn't think was appropriate to quote in your post. I'm afraid other people use their time more constructively and don't read every post in every thread so you must quote the relevant ones and if you don't then don't accuse other people of being silly because you don't know how to use quote correctly.

I hope you do get stopped and sent home by the police even after wasting your breath trying to argue there's a loophole in the government legislation.  It's there to prevent the spread of a virus, you're not taking part in a TV gameshow where you have to escape the country following tight rules without being detected to win a prize.