November 2020 international travel rules

epm-84

silvercar said:

epm-84 said:

cubegame said:

sheramber said:

cubegame said:

As predicted, The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) 

(No. 4) Regulations 2020 don't mention a travel ban.

It does say
Restrictions on leaving home 5.—(1) No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse. (2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)— (a) the circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse include where one of the exceptions set out in regulation 6 applies; (b) the place where a person is living includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises. 

 Travelling to go on holiday is not one of the exceptions  set out in regulation 6. 

And the loophole is that if you proceed to leave the country you can't be committing an offence.

It sounds like the 'loophole' being referred to is once you're on a plane taking off you're clear.  Does it cover travelling to the airport for non-essential purposes or entering a terminal (an enclosed space) for non-essential purposes? It's worth noting even pre-lockdown airports are locking and opening terminal doors depending on the number of imminent departures and there may be a monitored designated entry door for your flight/airline, where someone might check you are flying to be allowed in and not just seeing someone off.  With fewer passengers and flights it would be easy for the police force to put a couple of officers at one of the doors.

where your passenger locator form would show that you left the country after lockdown. 

Possibly. The question asked is:
Which countries have you been in, or will you be in, for the 14 days before coming to the UK? 

Then for each country you have to state your arrival and departure date.

So for instance, if you arrived in Spain on 7th October, crossed the border in to Gibraltar on 21st October and plan to fly to the UK tomorrow, you will not have to record your trip to Spain on the form as it's over 14 days ago and the fact you entered Gibraltar on 21 October, does not mean you travelled from the UK to Gibraltar on that date.

Of course as advance passenger information is usually collected by the airline for any flight and passed on to relevant authorities they will still be able to check the date you leave the UK, or even the date you plan to leave (if you've not yet departed), through other means.

Nutty75

Does anyone know where I can find out what legally permitted reasons for travel are ?  

cubegame

epm-84 said:

cubegame said:

sheramber said:

cubegame said:

As predicted, The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) 

(No. 4) Regulations 2020 don't mention a travel ban.

It does say
Restrictions on leaving home 5.—(1) No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse. (2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)— (a) the circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse include where one of the exceptions set out in regulation 6 applies; (b) the place where a person is living includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises. 

 Travelling to go on holiday is not one of the exceptions  set out in regulation 6. 

And the loophole is that if you proceed to leave the country you can't be committing an offence.

It sounds like the 'loophole' being referred to is once you're on a plane taking off you're clear.  Does it cover travelling to the airport for non-essential purposes or entering a terminal (an enclosed space) for non-essential purposes? It's worth noting even pre-lockdown airports are locking and opening terminal doors depending on the number of imminent departures and there may be a monitored designated entry door for your flight/airline, where someone might check you are flying to be allowed in and not just seeing someone off.  With fewer passengers and flights it would be easy for the police force to put a couple of officers at one of the doors.

So the simple act of carrying a printed out email confirming a medical appointment or a property viewing would suffice......it's not difficult to outthink this.

Leodogger

cubegame said:

epm-84 said:

cubegame said:

sheramber said:

cubegame said:

As predicted, The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) 

(No. 4) Regulations 2020 don't mention a travel ban.

It does say
Restrictions on leaving home 5.—(1) No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse. (2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)— (a) the circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse include where one of the exceptions set out in regulation 6 applies; (b) the place where a person is living includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises. 

 Travelling to go on holiday is not one of the exceptions  set out in regulation 6. 

And the loophole is that if you proceed to leave the country you can't be committing an offence.

It sounds like the 'loophole' being referred to is once you're on a plane taking off you're clear.  Does it cover travelling to the airport for non-essential purposes or entering a terminal (an enclosed space) for non-essential purposes? It's worth noting even pre-lockdown airports are locking and opening terminal doors depending on the number of imminent departures and there may be a monitored designated entry door for your flight/airline, where someone might check you are flying to be allowed in and not just seeing someone off.  With fewer passengers and flights it would be easy for the police force to put a couple of officers at one of the doors.

So the simple act of carrying a printed out email confirming a medical appointment or a property viewing would suffice......it's not difficult to outthink this.

A "property viewing" isn't going to Spain on "essential business" or for "work commitments" !

Leodogger

superbigal said:

Ryanair will clearly still cancel the odd flight where the numbers do not stack up and "refunds" are at the point substantially cheaper than operating costs. .   That of course is a conundrum that no one is going to know.  The more people that are actually rescheduled the more likely that is.  Clearly in flights where it is uneconomic for people to reschedule Ryanair will collect all that money for empty seats and the flights will continue.
The business angle is of course simply smoke and mirrors.   

The thing O'Leary can't control is how many people will leave cancelling or moving their flights at the last minute just in case the flight is cancelled by him and they could get a refund or a voucher, so at the last minute he might find he is flying with 6 people on board !!

bradders1983

Leodogger said:

cubegame said:

epm-84 said:

cubegame said:

sheramber said:

cubegame said:

As predicted, The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) 

(No. 4) Regulations 2020 don't mention a travel ban.

It does say
Restrictions on leaving home 5.—(1) No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse. (2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)— (a) the circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse include where one of the exceptions set out in regulation 6 applies; (b) the place where a person is living includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises. 

 Travelling to go on holiday is not one of the exceptions  set out in regulation 6. 

And the loophole is that if you proceed to leave the country you can't be committing an offence.

It sounds like the 'loophole' being referred to is once you're on a plane taking off you're clear.  Does it cover travelling to the airport for non-essential purposes or entering a terminal (an enclosed space) for non-essential purposes? It's worth noting even pre-lockdown airports are locking and opening terminal doors depending on the number of imminent departures and there may be a monitored designated entry door for your flight/airline, where someone might check you are flying to be allowed in and not just seeing someone off.  With fewer passengers and flights it would be easy for the police force to put a couple of officers at one of the doors.

So the simple act of carrying a printed out email confirming a medical appointment or a property viewing would suffice......it's not difficult to outthink this.

A "property viewing" isn't going to Spain on "essential business" or for "work commitments" !

Quite sure the legislation has certain exemptions surrounding housing...who has to say the house has to be in England? Nudge nudge wink wink.

Leodogger

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

cubegame said:

epm-84 said:

cubegame said:

sheramber said:

cubegame said:

As predicted, The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) 

(No. 4) Regulations 2020 don't mention a travel ban.

It does say
Restrictions on leaving home 5.—(1) No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse. (2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)— (a) the circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse include where one of the exceptions set out in regulation 6 applies; (b) the place where a person is living includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises. 

 Travelling to go on holiday is not one of the exceptions  set out in regulation 6. 

And the loophole is that if you proceed to leave the country you can't be committing an offence.

It sounds like the 'loophole' being referred to is once you're on a plane taking off you're clear.  Does it cover travelling to the airport for non-essential purposes or entering a terminal (an enclosed space) for non-essential purposes? It's worth noting even pre-lockdown airports are locking and opening terminal doors depending on the number of imminent departures and there may be a monitored designated entry door for your flight/airline, where someone might check you are flying to be allowed in and not just seeing someone off.  With fewer passengers and flights it would be easy for the police force to put a couple of officers at one of the doors.

So the simple act of carrying a printed out email confirming a medical appointment or a property viewing would suffice......it's not difficult to outthink this.

A "property viewing" isn't going to Spain on "essential business" or for "work commitments" !

Quite sure the legislation has certain exemptions surrounding housing...who has to say the house has to be in England? Nudge nudge wink wink.

Well I have read all the regulations and it looks pretty clear to me and there is nothing around housing I would suggest.

Leodogger

My daughter has a business in Spain and I could say I have to go for business reasons, after all I will be there 2 months so I could argue I am not going on holiday, all I would need to take is their autonomo numbers to prove the business exists but I am pretty sure if I was stopped they would want more proof than that !

bradders1983

Leodogger said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

cubegame said:

epm-84 said:

cubegame said:

sheramber said:

cubegame said:

As predicted, The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) 

(No. 4) Regulations 2020 don't mention a travel ban.

It does say
Restrictions on leaving home 5.—(1) No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse. (2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)— (a) the circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse include where one of the exceptions set out in regulation 6 applies; (b) the place where a person is living includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises. 

 Travelling to go on holiday is not one of the exceptions  set out in regulation 6. 

And the loophole is that if you proceed to leave the country you can't be committing an offence.

It sounds like the 'loophole' being referred to is once you're on a plane taking off you're clear.  Does it cover travelling to the airport for non-essential purposes or entering a terminal (an enclosed space) for non-essential purposes? It's worth noting even pre-lockdown airports are locking and opening terminal doors depending on the number of imminent departures and there may be a monitored designated entry door for your flight/airline, where someone might check you are flying to be allowed in and not just seeing someone off.  With fewer passengers and flights it would be easy for the police force to put a couple of officers at one of the doors.

So the simple act of carrying a printed out email confirming a medical appointment or a property viewing would suffice......it's not difficult to outthink this.

A "property viewing" isn't going to Spain on "essential business" or for "work commitments" !

Quite sure the legislation has certain exemptions surrounding housing...who has to say the house has to be in England? Nudge nudge wink wink.

Well I have read all the regulations and it looks pretty clear to me and there is nothing around housing I would suggest.

You need to read it again. The following are allowed...

(g)to undertake any of the following activities in connection with the purchase, sale, letting or rental of a residential property—

(i)visiting estate or letting agents, developer sales offices or show homes;

(ii)viewing residential properties to look for a property to buy or to rent;

(iii)preparing a residential property to move in;

(iv)moving house;

(v)visiting a residential property to undertake any activities required for the rental or sale of that property

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/regulation/6/made

eskbanker

Nutty75 said:

Does anyone know where I can find out what legally permitted reasons for travel are ?  

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/part/2/made