November 2020 international travel rules

epm-84

Nutty75 said:

Does anyone know where I can find out what legally permitted reasons for travel are ?  

Reasons related to work, medical reasons or family emergencies e.g. a funeral of a relative being held abroad or if a relative is in a critical situation in hospital or terminally ill and only has weeks left to live.

Leodogger

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

cubegame said:

epm-84 said:

cubegame said:

sheramber said:

cubegame said:

As predicted, The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) 

(No. 4) Regulations 2020 don't mention a travel ban.

It does say
Restrictions on leaving home 5.—(1) No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse. (2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)— (a) the circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse include where one of the exceptions set out in regulation 6 applies; (b) the place where a person is living includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises. 

 Travelling to go on holiday is not one of the exceptions  set out in regulation 6. 

And the loophole is that if you proceed to leave the country you can't be committing an offence.

It sounds like the 'loophole' being referred to is once you're on a plane taking off you're clear.  Does it cover travelling to the airport for non-essential purposes or entering a terminal (an enclosed space) for non-essential purposes? It's worth noting even pre-lockdown airports are locking and opening terminal doors depending on the number of imminent departures and there may be a monitored designated entry door for your flight/airline, where someone might check you are flying to be allowed in and not just seeing someone off.  With fewer passengers and flights it would be easy for the police force to put a couple of officers at one of the doors.

So the simple act of carrying a printed out email confirming a medical appointment or a property viewing would suffice......it's not difficult to outthink this.

A "property viewing" isn't going to Spain on "essential business" or for "work commitments" !

Quite sure the legislation has certain exemptions surrounding housing...who has to say the house has to be in England? Nudge nudge wink wink.

Well I have read all the regulations and it looks pretty clear to me and there is nothing around housing I would suggest.

You need to read it again. The following are allowed...

(g)to undertake any of the following activities in connection with the purchase, sale, letting or rental of a residential property—

(i)visiting estate or letting agents, developer sales offices or show homes;

(ii)viewing residential properties to look for a property to buy or to rent;

(iii)preparing a residential property to move in;

(iv)moving house;

(v)visiting a residential property to undertake any activities required for the rental or sale of that property

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/regulation/6/made

You would surely still  have to provide documentation to prove it, they are not going to go on what you tell them.  Anyone could lie LOL !

epm-84

cubegame said:

epm-84 said:

cubegame said:

sheramber said:

cubegame said:

As predicted, The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) 

(No. 4) Regulations 2020 don't mention a travel ban.

It does say
Restrictions on leaving home 5.—(1) No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse. (2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)— (a) the circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse include where one of the exceptions set out in regulation 6 applies; (b) the place where a person is living includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises. 

 Travelling to go on holiday is not one of the exceptions  set out in regulation 6. 

And the loophole is that if you proceed to leave the country you can't be committing an offence.

It sounds like the 'loophole' being referred to is once you're on a plane taking off you're clear.  Does it cover travelling to the airport for non-essential purposes or entering a terminal (an enclosed space) for non-essential purposes? It's worth noting even pre-lockdown airports are locking and opening terminal doors depending on the number of imminent departures and there may be a monitored designated entry door for your flight/airline, where someone might check you are flying to be allowed in and not just seeing someone off.  With fewer passengers and flights it would be easy for the police force to put a couple of officers at one of the doors.

So the simple act of carrying a printed out email confirming a medical appointment or a property viewing would suffice......it's not difficult to outthink this.

Dr Anderson will see you now at departure gate number 22. 🤣

Even if you've a COVID test booked in an airport car park that won't suffice if the police check people entering the airport terminal.

Leodogger

epm-84 said:

Nutty75 said:

Does anyone know where I can find out what legally permitted reasons for travel are ?  

Reasons related to work, medical reasons or family emergencies e.g. a funeral of a relative being held abroad or if a relative is in a critical situation in hospital or terminally ill and only has weeks left to live.

As I said, they are not going to take your word for it, they would require proof.   Anyone can lie about what they are going abroad for.

bradders1983

Leodogger said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

cubegame said:

epm-84 said:

cubegame said:

sheramber said:

cubegame said:

As predicted, The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) 

(No. 4) Regulations 2020 don't mention a travel ban.

It does say
Restrictions on leaving home 5.—(1) No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse. (2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)— (a) the circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse include where one of the exceptions set out in regulation 6 applies; (b) the place where a person is living includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises. 

 Travelling to go on holiday is not one of the exceptions  set out in regulation 6. 

And the loophole is that if you proceed to leave the country you can't be committing an offence.

It sounds like the 'loophole' being referred to is once you're on a plane taking off you're clear.  Does it cover travelling to the airport for non-essential purposes or entering a terminal (an enclosed space) for non-essential purposes? It's worth noting even pre-lockdown airports are locking and opening terminal doors depending on the number of imminent departures and there may be a monitored designated entry door for your flight/airline, where someone might check you are flying to be allowed in and not just seeing someone off.  With fewer passengers and flights it would be easy for the police force to put a couple of officers at one of the doors.

So the simple act of carrying a printed out email confirming a medical appointment or a property viewing would suffice......it's not difficult to outthink this.

A "property viewing" isn't going to Spain on "essential business" or for "work commitments" !

Quite sure the legislation has certain exemptions surrounding housing...who has to say the house has to be in England? Nudge nudge wink wink.

Well I have read all the regulations and it looks pretty clear to me and there is nothing around housing I would suggest.

You need to read it again. The following are allowed...

(g)to undertake any of the following activities in connection with the purchase, sale, letting or rental of a residential property—

(i)visiting estate or letting agents, developer sales offices or show homes;

(ii)viewing residential properties to look for a property to buy or to rent;

(iii)preparing a residential property to move in;

(iv)moving house;

(v)visiting a residential property to undertake any activities required for the rental or sale of that property

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/regulation/6/made

You would surely still  have to provide documentation to prove it, they are not going to go on what you tell them.  Anyone could lie LOL !

Exactly. But if you are going for one of those reasons it wouldnt be tricky to prove. Also not hard to book a house viewing in advance and just not turn up for it when you get there. 

Leodogger

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

cubegame said:

epm-84 said:

cubegame said:

sheramber said:

cubegame said:

As predicted, The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) 

(No. 4) Regulations 2020 don't mention a travel ban.

It does say
Restrictions on leaving home 5.—(1) No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse. (2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)— (a) the circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse include where one of the exceptions set out in regulation 6 applies; (b) the place where a person is living includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises. 

 Travelling to go on holiday is not one of the exceptions  set out in regulation 6. 

And the loophole is that if you proceed to leave the country you can't be committing an offence.

It sounds like the 'loophole' being referred to is once you're on a plane taking off you're clear.  Does it cover travelling to the airport for non-essential purposes or entering a terminal (an enclosed space) for non-essential purposes? It's worth noting even pre-lockdown airports are locking and opening terminal doors depending on the number of imminent departures and there may be a monitored designated entry door for your flight/airline, where someone might check you are flying to be allowed in and not just seeing someone off.  With fewer passengers and flights it would be easy for the police force to put a couple of officers at one of the doors.

So the simple act of carrying a printed out email confirming a medical appointment or a property viewing would suffice......it's not difficult to outthink this.

A "property viewing" isn't going to Spain on "essential business" or for "work commitments" !

Quite sure the legislation has certain exemptions surrounding housing...who has to say the house has to be in England? Nudge nudge wink wink.

Well I have read all the regulations and it looks pretty clear to me and there is nothing around housing I would suggest.

You need to read it again. The following are allowed...

(g)to undertake any of the following activities in connection with the purchase, sale, letting or rental of a residential property—

(i)visiting estate or letting agents, developer sales offices or show homes;

(ii)viewing residential properties to look for a property to buy or to rent;

(iii)preparing a residential property to move in;

(iv)moving house;

(v)visiting a residential property to undertake any activities required for the rental or sale of that property

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/regulation/6/made

You would surely still  have to provide documentation to prove it, they are not going to go on what you tell them.  Anyone could lie LOL !

Exactly. But if you are going for one of those reasons it wouldnt be tricky to prove. Also not hard to book a house viewing in advance and just not turn up for it when you get there. 

You might get away with it if you had an email confirmation of the viewing I suppose.

Leodogger

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

cubegame said:

epm-84 said:

cubegame said:

sheramber said:

cubegame said:

As predicted, The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) 

(No. 4) Regulations 2020 don't mention a travel ban.

It does say
Restrictions on leaving home 5.—(1) No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse. (2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)— (a) the circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse include where one of the exceptions set out in regulation 6 applies; (b) the place where a person is living includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises. 

 Travelling to go on holiday is not one of the exceptions  set out in regulation 6. 

And the loophole is that if you proceed to leave the country you can't be committing an offence.

It sounds like the 'loophole' being referred to is once you're on a plane taking off you're clear.  Does it cover travelling to the airport for non-essential purposes or entering a terminal (an enclosed space) for non-essential purposes? It's worth noting even pre-lockdown airports are locking and opening terminal doors depending on the number of imminent departures and there may be a monitored designated entry door for your flight/airline, where someone might check you are flying to be allowed in and not just seeing someone off.  With fewer passengers and flights it would be easy for the police force to put a couple of officers at one of the doors.

So the simple act of carrying a printed out email confirming a medical appointment or a property viewing would suffice......it's not difficult to outthink this.

A "property viewing" isn't going to Spain on "essential business" or for "work commitments" !

Quite sure the legislation has certain exemptions surrounding housing...who has to say the house has to be in England? Nudge nudge wink wink.

Well I have read all the regulations and it looks pretty clear to me and there is nothing around housing I would suggest.

You need to read it again. The following are allowed...

(g)to undertake any of the following activities in connection with the purchase, sale, letting or rental of a residential property—

(i)visiting estate or letting agents, developer sales offices or show homes;

(ii)viewing residential properties to look for a property to buy or to rent;

(iii)preparing a residential property to move in;

(iv)moving house;

(v)visiting a residential property to undertake any activities required for the rental or sale of that property

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/regulation/6/made

You would surely still  have to provide documentation to prove it, they are not going to go on what you tell them.  Anyone could lie LOL !

Exactly. But if you are going for one of those reasons it wouldnt be tricky to prove. Also not hard to book a house viewing in advance and just not turn up for it when you get there. 

Only problem is, how do you explain that it is taking you one week, or two weeks (if you are going on holiday) to view a property?   Bit tricky that LOL !

epm-84

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

cubegame said:

epm-84 said:

cubegame said:

sheramber said:

cubegame said:

As predicted, The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) 

(No. 4) Regulations 2020 don't mention a travel ban.

It does say
Restrictions on leaving home 5.—(1) No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse. (2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)— (a) the circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse include where one of the exceptions set out in regulation 6 applies; (b) the place where a person is living includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises. 

 Travelling to go on holiday is not one of the exceptions  set out in regulation 6. 

And the loophole is that if you proceed to leave the country you can't be committing an offence.

It sounds like the 'loophole' being referred to is once you're on a plane taking off you're clear.  Does it cover travelling to the airport for non-essential purposes or entering a terminal (an enclosed space) for non-essential purposes? It's worth noting even pre-lockdown airports are locking and opening terminal doors depending on the number of imminent departures and there may be a monitored designated entry door for your flight/airline, where someone might check you are flying to be allowed in and not just seeing someone off.  With fewer passengers and flights it would be easy for the police force to put a couple of officers at one of the doors.

So the simple act of carrying a printed out email confirming a medical appointment or a property viewing would suffice......it's not difficult to outthink this.

A "property viewing" isn't going to Spain on "essential business" or for "work commitments" !

Quite sure the legislation has certain exemptions surrounding housing...who has to say the house has to be in England? Nudge nudge wink wink.

Well I have read all the regulations and it looks pretty clear to me and there is nothing around housing I would suggest.

You need to read it again. The following are allowed...

(g)to undertake any of the following activities in connection with the purchase, sale, letting or rental of a residential property—

(i)visiting estate or letting agents, developer sales offices or show homes;

(ii)viewing residential properties to look for a property to buy or to rent;

(iii)preparing a residential property to move in;

(iv)moving house;

(v)visiting a residential property to undertake any activities required for the rental or sale of that property

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/regulation/6/made

You would surely still  have to provide documentation to prove it, they are not going to go on what you tell them.  Anyone could lie LOL !

Also not hard to book a house viewing in advance and just not turn up for it when you get there. 

The police can easily tell you the house on the market isn't in the direction of the airport from where they stop you and point you in the correct direction for the house viewing.

bradders1983

epm-84 said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

cubegame said:

epm-84 said:

cubegame said:

sheramber said:

cubegame said:

As predicted, The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) 

(No. 4) Regulations 2020 don't mention a travel ban.

It does say
Restrictions on leaving home 5.—(1) No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse. (2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)— (a) the circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse include where one of the exceptions set out in regulation 6 applies; (b) the place where a person is living includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises. 

 Travelling to go on holiday is not one of the exceptions  set out in regulation 6. 

And the loophole is that if you proceed to leave the country you can't be committing an offence.

It sounds like the 'loophole' being referred to is once you're on a plane taking off you're clear.  Does it cover travelling to the airport for non-essential purposes or entering a terminal (an enclosed space) for non-essential purposes? It's worth noting even pre-lockdown airports are locking and opening terminal doors depending on the number of imminent departures and there may be a monitored designated entry door for your flight/airline, where someone might check you are flying to be allowed in and not just seeing someone off.  With fewer passengers and flights it would be easy for the police force to put a couple of officers at one of the doors.

So the simple act of carrying a printed out email confirming a medical appointment or a property viewing would suffice......it's not difficult to outthink this.

A "property viewing" isn't going to Spain on "essential business" or for "work commitments" !

Quite sure the legislation has certain exemptions surrounding housing...who has to say the house has to be in England? Nudge nudge wink wink.

Well I have read all the regulations and it looks pretty clear to me and there is nothing around housing I would suggest.

You need to read it again. The following are allowed...

(g)to undertake any of the following activities in connection with the purchase, sale, letting or rental of a residential property—

(i)visiting estate or letting agents, developer sales offices or show homes;

(ii)viewing residential properties to look for a property to buy or to rent;

(iii)preparing a residential property to move in;

(iv)moving house;

(v)visiting a residential property to undertake any activities required for the rental or sale of that property

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/regulation/6/made

You would surely still  have to provide documentation to prove it, they are not going to go on what you tell them.  Anyone could lie LOL !

Also not hard to book a house viewing in advance and just not turn up for it when you get there. 

The police can easily tell you the house on the market isn't in the direction of the airport from where they stop you and point you in the correct direction for the house viewing.

And what about if the house is in Spain?

EDIT: I see what you did there.

Leodogger

epm-84 said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

bradders1983 said:

Leodogger said:

cubegame said:

epm-84 said:

cubegame said:

sheramber said:

cubegame said:

As predicted, The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) 

(No. 4) Regulations 2020 don't mention a travel ban.

It does say
Restrictions on leaving home 5.—(1) No person may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse. (2) For the purposes of paragraph (1)— (a) the circumstances in which a person has a reasonable excuse include where one of the exceptions set out in regulation 6 applies; (b) the place where a person is living includes the premises where they live together with any garden, yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises. 

 Travelling to go on holiday is not one of the exceptions  set out in regulation 6. 

And the loophole is that if you proceed to leave the country you can't be committing an offence.

It sounds like the 'loophole' being referred to is once you're on a plane taking off you're clear.  Does it cover travelling to the airport for non-essential purposes or entering a terminal (an enclosed space) for non-essential purposes? It's worth noting even pre-lockdown airports are locking and opening terminal doors depending on the number of imminent departures and there may be a monitored designated entry door for your flight/airline, where someone might check you are flying to be allowed in and not just seeing someone off.  With fewer passengers and flights it would be easy for the police force to put a couple of officers at one of the doors.

So the simple act of carrying a printed out email confirming a medical appointment or a property viewing would suffice......it's not difficult to outthink this.

A "property viewing" isn't going to Spain on "essential business" or for "work commitments" !

Quite sure the legislation has certain exemptions surrounding housing...who has to say the house has to be in England? Nudge nudge wink wink.

Well I have read all the regulations and it looks pretty clear to me and there is nothing around housing I would suggest.

You need to read it again. The following are allowed...

(g)to undertake any of the following activities in connection with the purchase, sale, letting or rental of a residential property—

(i)visiting estate or letting agents, developer sales offices or show homes;

(ii)viewing residential properties to look for a property to buy or to rent;

(iii)preparing a residential property to move in;

(iv)moving house;

(v)visiting a residential property to undertake any activities required for the rental or sale of that property

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/regulation/6/made

You would surely still  have to provide documentation to prove it, they are not going to go on what you tell them.  Anyone could lie LOL !

Also not hard to book a house viewing in advance and just not turn up for it when you get there. 

The police can easily tell you the house on the market isn't in the direction of the airport from where they stop you and point you in the correct direction for the house viewing.

Pretty hard for them to do to stop you at a UK airport if the viewing is in Spain for example !