Can My Daughter Leave Wales For Essential Training ?

Jeremy535897

Dr_Crypto said:

Yes it does. I think it was originally longer than 28 days but I can’t remember exactly. 

It was originally anyone who had ever tested positive, whenever that was, but that was England only. It skewed the statistics for comparison purposes, apart from anything else.

Grumpy_chap

Aranyani said:

Grumpy_chap said:

I don't in any way wish to demean the COVID death figures, but the news reports that "died from COVID" is "death from any cause within 28 days following a COVID-positive diagnosis" and I understand the "within 28 days" was not originally there.  
Does that mean that a COVID-positive diagnosis on 1st October, but knocked down by a bus at the end of this week is still a COVID death?

Its actually very rare to be killed by a bus though. 

Yes, but there are many ways to die, so the example was given as a reason that is clearly incorrectly recorded.

MattMattMattUK

Aranyani said:

Grumpy_chap said:

I don't in any way wish to demean the COVID death figures, but the news reports that "died from COVID" is "death from any cause within 28 days following a COVID-positive diagnosis" and I understand the "within 28 days" was not originally there.  
Does that mean that a COVID-positive diagnosis on 1st October, but knocked down by a bus at the end of this week is still a COVID death?

Its actually very rare to be killed by a bus though. 

Lots of things are quite rare. For instance it is rare for children to be killed by their parents, but it is still more likely for a child to be killed by their own parents than for them to die of COVID.

Dr_Crypto

Aranyani said:

Dr_Crypto said:

Nobody knows how long those patients would have lived. In my area the average age of death for covid patients was 82. In all likelihood those patients wouldn’t have lived that much long. 

How can you know based on just age?  All my grandparents have lived years past that, and I just saw an article on the news about a 90 year old golfer in rude health, certainly not ready to drop dead.   

Because, in general, older people, especially over 80, don’t have much longer to live. 

That’s not to say that some won’t live to 100 but in general we don’t target massive healthcare resources to over 80s  At the expense of much younger patients. 

Aranyani

MattMattMattUK said:

Aranyani said:

Grumpy_chap said:

I don't in any way wish to demean the COVID death figures, but the news reports that "died from COVID" is "death from any cause within 28 days following a COVID-positive diagnosis" and I understand the "within 28 days" was not originally there.  
Does that mean that a COVID-positive diagnosis on 1st October, but knocked down by a bus at the end of this week is still a COVID death?

Its actually very rare to be killed by a bus though. 

Lots of things are quite rare. For instance it is rare for children to be killed by their parents, but it is still more likely for a child to be killed by their own parents than for them to die of COVID.

Sadly that is a testament to the fact that its not all that rare.  I think its a child a week on average in this country.  

Dr_Crypto

Aranyani said:

Dr_Crypto said:

Nobody knows how long those patients would have lived. In my area the average age of death for covid patients was 82. In all likelihood those patients wouldn’t have lived that much long. 

How can you know based on just age?  All my grandparents have lived years past that, and I just saw an article on the news about a 90 year old golfer in rude health, certainly not ready to drop dead.   

Because, in general, older people, especially over 80, don’t have much longer to live. 

That’s not to say that some won’t live to 100 but in general we don’t target massive healthcare resources to over 80s  At the expense of much younger patients. 

Aranyani

Dr_Crypto said:

Aranyani said:

Dr_Crypto said:

Nobody knows how long those patients would have lived. In my area the average age of death for covid patients was 82. In all likelihood those patients wouldn’t have lived that much long. 

How can you know based on just age?  All my grandparents have lived years past that, and I just saw an article on the news about a 90 year old golfer in rude health, certainly not ready to drop dead.   

Because, in general, older people, especially over 80, don’t have much longer to live. 

That’s not to say that some won’t live to 100 but in general we don’t target massive healthcare resources to over 80s  At the expense of much younger patients. 

I really really hope you aren't actually a doctor. 

MattMattMattUK

Aranyani said:

Dr_Crypto said:

Aranyani said:

Dr_Crypto said:

Nobody knows how long those patients would have lived. In my area the average age of death for covid patients was 82. In all likelihood those patients wouldn’t have lived that much long. 

How can you know based on just age?  All my grandparents have lived years past that, and I just saw an article on the news about a 90 year old golfer in rude health, certainly not ready to drop dead.   

Because, in general, older people, especially over 80, don’t have much longer to live. 

That’s not to say that some won’t live to 100 but in general we don’t target massive healthcare resources to over 80s  At the expense of much younger patients. 

I really really hope you aren't actually a doctor. 

I really hope you are not in charge of any public budgets.

Grumpy_chap

Aranyani said:

Dr_Crypto said:

Aranyani said:

Dr_Crypto said:

Nobody knows how long those patients would have lived. In my area the average age of death for covid patients was 82. In all likelihood those patients wouldn’t have lived that much long. 

How can you know based on just age?  All my grandparents have lived years past that, and I just saw an article on the news about a 90 year old golfer in rude health, certainly not ready to drop dead.   

Because, in general, older people, especially over 80, don’t have much longer to live. 

That’s not to say that some won’t live to 100 but in general we don’t target massive healthcare resources to over 80s  At the expense of much younger patients. 

I really really hope you aren't actually a doctor. 

They are - taking all their threads as a whole, that is clear.

Dr_Crypto

Sadly I am. 

But even if I wasn’t what I said would still be correct. Look at a Kaplan-Myer curve for human life expectancy if you like. 
This isn’t actually a medical issue at all, but one of social policy and balancing competing interests.