Can My Daughter Leave Wales For Essential Training ?

JamoLew

MattMattMattUK said:

JamoLew said:

Wasn't the point to not hand an unfair trading advantage to the supermarkets when compared to "independent" traders who have been directed to close.
It appears to be where that line is drawn that is the debatable point

A bit pointless when people can just order anything they want online though. 

Agreed - but I think the High Street traders will take any help they can get right now

It also answers the question of for example "is a kettle essential" -- not if you can safely order online rather than potentially increase footfall/exposure in an enclosed space to purchase one

macman

To get back to the original point of this post, I thought that the travel restrictions on entering Wales from England only applied to those coming from Tier 2 or Tier 3 areas in England? Where does the OP reside?

MattMattMattUK

JamoLew said:

MattMattMattUK said:

JamoLew said:

Wasn't the point to not hand an unfair trading advantage to the supermarkets when compared to "independent" traders who have been directed to close.
It appears to be where that line is drawn that is the debatable point

A bit pointless when people can just order anything they want online though. 

Agreed - but I think the High Street traders will take any help they can get right now

It also answers the question of for example "is a kettle essential" -- not if you can safely order online rather than potentially increase footfall/exposure in an enclosed space to purchase one

The issue there is really what is essential, I mean for 2-3 weeks even food is not essential, most people could survive for a few weeks without food so long as they had water, shelter and warmth, they could equally order their food online. Even if supermarkets would not deliver to them then food could be ordered from Amazon to get them through two weeks. 

Essential is the wrong term for the government to use really, if the mains water and power stayed on I could last a couple of months without leaving the house or receiving any deliveries (although I might have to eat some very small, odd meals), if the water went out I could probably string it out for ten days (bottled drinks), with the power out about the same (some gas canisters from camping stoves mean I could cook). With online deliveries and water and power staying on I could theoretically survive without leaving home indefinitely, although there would obviously be other issues in that situation. 

The Welsh government's restrictions do not make sense, especially when you look at how little of the transmission takes place in retail spaces (probably less than 1%), with more than 80% of transmission taking place by households mixing in their own homes the issue is not retail or hospitality, the bigger question is if we should even be facing restrictions in the first place. 

Grumpy_chap

Using Matt's figures, lockdown and staying at home will be entirely counter-productive.  There should be a Government-backed scheme to force us out of the house and into the pub.  Let's call it EOHO.

Dr_Crypto

Grumpy_chap said:

Dr_Crypto said:

I saw some photos of microwave ovens and irons not being sold as they were "non-essential". They are pretty essential if yours breaks down! 

You can live for a very long time without a microwave oven - I remember when they were non-existent and then travelled through unaffordable luxury before becoming the every-day items they now are.
No-one needs to iron anything if not going out...

People lived without running water or the internet or electricity too. It doesn't mean they aren't essential now. 
I'd say a microwave was pretty essential and what if you had a job interview and your iron broke? 
It is all a nonsese. 

unforeseen

MattMattMattUK said:

Dr_Crypto said:

Johnson isn't up to the job. He was a single tick Brexit pony. Beacuse he is a moron people like Drakeford are getting free reign. 

One's lack of ability does not excuse the other, all four governments of the UK are run by utter incompetents, they do not exist in isolation, but it is the lack of decent alternatives that has allowed them to gain and retain power. 

TBH a lot of the European countries aren't fairing much better in controlling it, so on that basis, Europe, and any other country that is trying to control the second outbreak, does not have competent government.

Obviously the people on this forum would be able to do a lot better job of it based on the comments apparently without access to the great deal of scientific information available to all the countries' governments. 

Dr_Crypto

Is Macron competent? Not sure many people think he is. Merkle on the other hand is well regarded and seems to be doing a good job, as she always does. Have they banned the sale of irons in Germany? I don't think so. 

Jeremy535897

MattMattMattUK said:

JamoLew said:

Wasn't the point to not hand an unfair trading advantage to the supermarkets when compared to "independent" traders who have been directed to close.
It appears to be where that line is drawn that is the debatable point

A bit pointless when people can just order anything they want online though. 

It seems to be based on a misconception that people will wait to buy the non-essential item, and as you say, they won't. All it will do is move even more business online, which is the last thing shops need.

Grumpy_chap

Dr_Crypto said:

People lived without running water or the internet or electricity too. It doesn't mean they aren't essential now. 
I'd say a microwave was pretty essential

I will concede running water and electricity are modern day essentials. 
Internet, as much of a modern-day distraction as essential
I cannot concur with you regarding the microwave.  We are not so stone-age as to have shunned the microwave, but the one in our house is probably used half-a-dozen times a year, if that.  Definitely not an essential.  

MoneySeeker1

Jeremy535897 said:

MattMattMattUK said:

JamoLew said:

Wasn't the point to not hand an unfair trading advantage to the supermarkets when compared to "independent" traders who have been directed to close.
It appears to be where that line is drawn that is the debatable point

A bit pointless when people can just order anything they want online though. 

It seems to be based on a misconception that people will wait to buy the non-essential item, and as you say, they won't. All it will do is move even more business online, which is the last thing shops need.

Quite - I know I "could" have managed without a replacement for a breadbaking tin that "gave up the ghost" on me - but ordered/already received from Amazon. I could have waited till the bookshops were open again to buy a Bible I decided I'd better get again (years after chucking out last one - but I want to read the Book of Revelations and compare/contrast to 2020 right now) and that's already come through from Amazon.

Today's incident - smashed mug - I could wait a week or two - but I will be trying to take one off the shelf to buy next time I'm in Tesco (even if I have to break through cellophane to do so).

So - no people aren't going to wait....