Can My Daughter Leave Wales For Essential Training ?

silvercar

gettingtheresometime said:

My point is it's been mooted that with thousands of students travelling across the country that that would Partly explain the increase in infections. So it would be at least courteous to the host population if she self isolated on her return. 

When moving from an area with high rates to an area with low, and back again, surely the courteous action would be to isolate in the area with a low rate, or before travelling to avoid taking the virus with you. The chances of bringing it back must be far lower than the chances of taking it with you.

silvercar

In this part of the country - with its Severe level Lockdown again - it's even worse than the first time:
1. We're being singled out and can see that Southern England, for instance, isn't being treated as badly as we are.
2. Mark Drakeford's forbidding supermarkets to sell their full range of goods to us - and it's not a lot of consolation that many of us are now "after him personally - and we WILL knock him out of power as soon as we can". Drakeford is trying to stop people travelling across between Wales and England (or vice-versa).

I remember when the Welsh were almost gloating of their free prescriptions, better student finance support etc. Now the ball is on the other foot they want parity with England.

In this case they are correct, we should have a comparable system across the four nations, but there are definitely some who want to have their cake and eat it - assuming cake isn't a non-essential item.

Dr_Crypto

Johnson isn't up to the job. He was a single tick Brexit pony. Beacuse he is a moron people like Drakeford are getting free reign. 

MattMattMattUK

silvercar said:

In this case they are correct, we should have a comparable system across the four nations, 

A regional approach makes far more sense, it makes no sense to lock down where I live (if you agree with lockdowns at all, which I do not) because parts of the north have infection rates >1,000 per 100k, when the area I live in has rates <100 per 100k.

silvercar said:
who want to have their cake and eat it 

That always seems to be the attitude of the Scottish, Welsh, NI and regional government.

silvercar said:
assuming cake isn't a non-essential item.

It does seem insane that cake, alcohol, makeup and magazines are deemed essential, but saucepans, baby clothes, period products and books are not.

MattMattMattUK

Dr_Crypto said:

Johnson isn't up to the job. He was a single tick Brexit pony. Beacuse he is a moron people like Drakeford are getting free reign. 

One's lack of ability does not excuse the other, all four governments of the UK are run by utter incompetents, they do not exist in isolation, but it is the lack of decent alternatives that has allowed them to gain and retain power. 

Dr_Crypto

I saw some photos of microwave ovens and irons not being sold as they were "non-essential". They are pretty essential if yours breaks down! 

Grumpy_chap

Dr_Crypto said:

I saw some photos of microwave ovens and irons not being sold as they were "non-essential". They are pretty essential if yours breaks down! 

You can live for a very long time without a microwave oven - I remember when they were non-existent and then travelled through unaffordable luxury before becoming the every-day items they now are.
No-one needs to iron anything if not going out...

JamoLew

Wasn't the point to not hand an unfair trading advantage to the supermarkets when compared to "independent" traders who have been directed to close.
It appears to be where that line is drawn that is the debatable point

tooldle

JamoLew said:

Wasn't the point to not hand an unfair trading advantage to the supermarkets when compared to "independent" traders who have been directed to close.
It appears to be where that line is drawn that is the debatable point

Yes, this was the point. It could also contribute to the overall aim of cutting a persons potential exposure time i.e. no browsing, get your essentials, pay and leave as quick as possible.

MattMattMattUK

JamoLew said:

Wasn't the point to not hand an unfair trading advantage to the supermarkets when compared to "independent" traders who have been directed to close.
It appears to be where that line is drawn that is the debatable point

A bit pointless when people can just order anything they want online though.