Civil Enforcement Ltd PCN

Redx

I do not believe they have to tell the council of any limits , unless previous planning permission has defined limits which they wish to vary

Cel are not duty bound by anything of note , it's an unregulated industry

If a Popla appeal failed then the full sum is payable for a short time , say one month for example , before any extra costs can be demanded , plus it doesn't mean the demand is lawful , it may not be , it often isn't

The full sum is the daily tariff displayed on the PCN and on the signage , typically £100

Discounts are an incentive for early payment , nothing to do with the actual charge shown , just a bribe to try to prevent the saga from continuing to appeal or to court

There is nothing illegal here because no laws have been broken , few laws exist which means it's an unregulated self regulating industry

nosferatu1001

Only if the planning permission for the car park stipulated a limit. Fur example it's common to grant permission for a new centre as long as the car park has x hours free, or is open to all users and not just those shopping on site, etc. If THOSE conditions are changed then they're in breach of planning. 

D_P_Dance

Some permissions are only granted by councils if  times are stated in the application.  Also, some permissions are only granted if leaving site is included.   

alfiemorris

Redx said:

I do not believe they have to tell the council of any limits , unless previous planning permission has defined limits which they wish to vary

Cel are not duty bound by anything of note , it's an unregulated industry

If a Popla appeal failed then the full sum is payable for a short time , say one month for example , before any extra costs can be demanded , plus it doesn't mean the demand is lawful , it may not be , it often isn't

The full sum is the daily tariff displayed on the PCN and on the signage , typically £100

Discounts are an incentive for early payment , nothing to do with the actual charge shown , just a bribe to try to prevent the saga from continuing to appeal or to court

There is nothing illegal here because no laws have been broken , few laws exist which means it's an unregulated self regulating industry

Thank you Redx ( I still have some in my garage, Redex that is!) On balance the RK says we'll have to admit defeat to these robbing scumbags and pay up.(Chokes!) Drivers fault for not looking at the new signage. A search has determined the Landlords name and address  and a stiff realistic email will be sent to them. An expanding development that has six Retail outlets, a Gym and an arriving Starbucks hardly invites an inviting shopping experience? I think not. With the two hour only parking limit perhaps that will be looked at in depth, if they decide to have words with CEL, all the better.
A thank you to all! It has been a very enlightening experience, not to be repeated hopefully. Stay safe!

Redx

This would be an easy win for the non driving keeper , which we have told you , because POFA protects the keeper , she is not liable !! So a foolish outcome if that is the decision due to you focussing on the wrong details , so a very poor decision

alfiemorris

Ok Redx, we value your expertise. If you have time, take us through the appeal scenario please? IF, CEL do not accept the appeal, it's then I put it to Popla for further direction, what would be the RK's defense be. I appreciate your time and further thoughts. Nothing would please us more than to win this.
  

Le_Kirk

What is wrong with reading the NEWBIE sticky to answer all your questions on process and likely outcome?

Redx

alfiemorris said:

Ok Redx, we value your expertise. If you have time, take us through the appeal scenario please? IF, CEL do not accept the appeal, it's then I put it to Popla for further direction, what would be the RK's defense be. I appreciate your time and further thoughts. Nothing would please us more than to win this.
  

I told you this last night , as did others as well , just after my reply !! ( KeithP )

We have already told you what her defence ( no S in Defence ) is 

Not the driver and the claimant failed POFA ( the law )

Coupon-mad

Basically, if the PCN is non-POFA and the keeper wasn't driving...the KEEPER can't lose.

That is why the KEEPER appeals.  Not sure how that's not clear from the NEWBIES thread?

alfiemorris

Right, re-read Pofa. Ours was an ANPR PCN, not a Windscreen one. Number 7 says: 7. A notice to keeper must be served not later than 14 days after the vehicle was parked. The date the car was parked was 22nd September, the PCN arrived on the 23rd October, 31 days later. This seems contrary to Pofa guidelines. An appeal letter is being prepared.