New face covering measures

JamoLew

Dymphna60 said:

Thanks @ JamoLew . 

I absolutely agree with you that the health impacts on people with conditions like cancer are devastating , both in a general way and in having an adult child who is still in the close monitoring group who’s follow ups are cancelled/delayed. Unfortunately has bad late side effects from his chemotherapy. 

Covid brings with it smack into our faces that not everyone that could be saved is saved , that this will never be possible . 

I am recently and thankfully retired from 40 years in healthcare. 

You aren’t really saying crack on as normal then though are you ? As you say a degree of social distancing, mask wearing a little bit of pain for everyone is not a big ask . 

Most people are reasonable even old folk like me .  That people get vital care they need means that  I am not round folks houses gossiping over tea and cake risking passing on / catching Covid and taking up resources that are needed elsewhere. 

So I will suck up my loneliness  , put my love of train travel on hold . 

Could those that I see drunkenly hugging strangers for a selfie in the street not just retrain themselves a little too ? 

I will shut up now . 

Not at all - there still needs to be some consideration for the vulnerable members of the society.
Any sensible/reasonable measures that are easily maintained and are only an inconvenience will no doubt remain (and should)
There's a very fine balance to be had and I'm not sure anyone actually knows where that balance is quite yet.
We will get there
I just wish the media would stop hyping and sensationalising everything and playing the political blame game.
No-ones to blame and I doubt any other politician/party would have done a better (maybe different) job - if they say otherwise, they are lying IMO
Sadly, this thread will get nuked which is a shame because it's been a very constructive discussion (probably belongs in Discussion Time - but that got removed)

Takmon

sweetgirl2015 said:

Takmon said:

sweetgirl2015 said:

JamoLew said:

well thats what the 1st national lockdown almost covered -- 

I hear you, but I dont necessary agree, because like I was saying earlier, the first lockdown was a shambles. My boyfriend couldn't work from home as his job requires him to be physically there, but not just him all his colleagues too, all sharing the same building and facilities. And I'm pretty sure his situation wasen't rare. So how could we contain a virus like that? Its been profit over life. 
Whereas we been together for four years, yet had to stop seeing each other or move in together, the later being impossible.
Just so many things this year has been so not making sense like that which is why we will just have to live with it as someone rightly said.

This kind of thinking is the problem that the virus is spreading so much because lots of people think the same way as you and somehow they can't seem to understand the difference.

When your boyfriend went to work he should be keeping a distance from others as much as possible, wearing masks or having barriers if they have to work close together, the workplace should have door/windows/extractor fans to ensure adequate ventilation etc. Which is all pretty reasonable. 

But when you and your boyfriend are together you are likely to have no ventilation cuddled up close together with lots of physical contact which makes the virus very easy to spread between you. 

So basically the rules are too allow the economy to keep going but also to prevent situations where people are in close contact with loved ones where it is far more likely to spread.

But my boyfriend said the way the factory is set up even long before covid its inpossible to maintain the 2 metre rule as they have to work in close proximity to each other passing items to each other, and lets not forget it was before masks became mandatory as at first they didnt think masks would stop transmission of the virus. So everyone in that particular factory felt vunerable about catching the virus, some stayed at home with stress, but they were unpaid. And they shared the same canteen for meals as it was not a manageable thing to stagger break times at this factory. Everyone cramned into the canteen together even in lockdown. This is why I call the first lockdown a shambles. 
It was nothing short of a miracle that no one including my boyfriend caught the virus, because if one did they all would have, and took it home to loved ones etc. Not me because we chose to live apart in our own properties. 
So you see what I mean its very often life vs industry. 

But that is purely the fault of the company in question by not implementing any measures. They could have put screen in between employees, did temperature checks, increased air flow and extraction in the work areas, changed shift patterns to space out employees. There was many things they could and still can do but they just seem to refuse to do it and that isn't the fault of the government because they have said all along that workplaces need to be Covid secure.
But then the employees need to take some responsibility and not go into a full canteen and instead go outside or in their cars for example to eat at lunch.

[Deleted User]

As someone with a hidden disability I really get annoyed at people abusing this. Was in IKEA the other day and a whole family wasn't wearing masks. One had a lanyard. Kept well away.

sweetgirl2015

Takmon said:

sweetgirl2015 said:

Takmon said:

sweetgirl2015 said:

JamoLew said:

well thats what the 1st national lockdown almost covered -- 

I hear you, but I dont necessary agree, because like I was saying earlier, the first lockdown was a shambles. My boyfriend couldn't work from home as his job requires him to be physically there, but not just him all his colleagues too, all sharing the same building and facilities. And I'm pretty sure his situation wasen't rare. So how could we contain a virus like that? Its been profit over life. 
Whereas we been together for four years, yet had to stop seeing each other or move in together, the later being impossible.
Just so many things this year has been so not making sense like that which is why we will just have to live with it as someone rightly said.

This kind of thinking is the problem that the virus is spreading so much because lots of people think the same way as you and somehow they can't seem to understand the difference.

When your boyfriend went to work he should be keeping a distance from others as much as possible, wearing masks or having barriers if they have to work close together, the workplace should have door/windows/extractor fans to ensure adequate ventilation etc. Which is all pretty reasonable. 

But when you and your boyfriend are together you are likely to have no ventilation cuddled up close together with lots of physical contact which makes the virus very easy to spread between you. 

So basically the rules are too allow the economy to keep going but also to prevent situations where people are in close contact with loved ones where it is far more likely to spread.

But my boyfriend said the way the factory is set up even long before covid its inpossible to maintain the 2 metre rule as they have to work in close proximity to each other passing items to each other, and lets not forget it was before masks became mandatory as at first they didnt think masks would stop transmission of the virus. So everyone in that particular factory felt vunerable about catching the virus, some stayed at home with stress, but they were unpaid. And they shared the same canteen for meals as it was not a manageable thing to stagger break times at this factory. Everyone cramned into the canteen together even in lockdown. This is why I call the first lockdown a shambles. 
It was nothing short of a miracle that no one including my boyfriend caught the virus, because if one did they all would have, and took it home to loved ones etc. Not me because we chose to live apart in our own properties. 
So you see what I mean its very often life vs industry. 

But that is purely the fault of the company in question by not implementing any measures. They could have put screen in between employees, did temperature checks, increased air flow and extraction in the work areas, changed shift patterns to space out employees. There was many things they could and still can do but they just seem to refuse to do it and that isn't the fault of the government because they have said all along that workplaces need to be Covid secure.
But then the employees need to take some responsibility and not go into a full canteen and instead go outside or in their cars for example to eat at lunch.

Boyfriend said screens and such like wouldn't have worked as they have to pass things to each other in tandom, and as I explained they couldnt social distance during meal times as it would have meant the chain of work would have meant the whole plant closing anyway so they all have meal times together.  But the government didnt shut them down or didn't know or care I don't know which.
But I get the impression there were lots of cases like that up and down the country. Like boyfriend said and all his colleagues said it didn't feel like a lockdown at all at the time. The only time it felt like it was lockdown was the mile long queues going into Asda Tescos etc. Other than that it was life as normal, oh but the most difficult part was us being apart. It even affected both our children as they missed each other as mine gets on with his very well as they are same ages. 
I do truely believe if the government really wanted to crush this virus dead it could have been done. Just tell the nation to self isolate for 3 weeks, with the exception of nurses and emergency services, water board, electric etc, but normal citizens could and should have stayed at home but they didnt. Now everyone is sufferering. 

bradders1983

By the time you add up all the people needed to keep a country functioning it would have had no impact. 

Aranyani

[DELETED USER] said:

As someone with a hidden disability I really get annoyed at people abusing this. Was in IKEA the other day and a whole family wasn't wearing masks. One had a lanyard. Kept well away.

Maybe the one with the lanyard was deaf and the others weren't wearing masks so they could read their lips?

[Deleted User]

Aranyani said:

[DELETED USER] said:

As someone with a hidden disability I really get annoyed at people abusing this. Was in IKEA the other day and a whole family wasn't wearing masks. One had a lanyard. Kept well away.

Maybe the one with the lanyard was deaf and the others weren't wearing masks so they could read their lips?

They make transparent masks and face shields.

[Deleted User]

[DELETED USER] said:

Aranyani said:

[DELETED USER] said:

As someone with a hidden disability I really get annoyed at people abusing this. Was in IKEA the other day and a whole family wasn't wearing masks. One had a lanyard. Kept well away.

Maybe the one with the lanyard was deaf and the others weren't wearing masks so they could read their lips?

They make transparent masks and face shields.

Makes no difference. If that was the case then they are allowed to do this as per the guidelines. 

Thrugelmir

sweetgirl2015 said:

JamoLew said:

sweetgirl2015 said:

I think this virus hasent gone away from the fact of sketchy rules which we have had to endure since March. 
How can it be right I can't see my nearest and dearest which is of course my boyfriend of 4 years. Yet he can go to a factory and work with over 20 other colleagues, all sharing the same building and canteen.
At this rate its never going away because the government don't live in a real world. 

They do live in the real world though, that's the problem.
They have to balance the economy and the welfare of the population (and the lack of respect for guidance and the law)
How would you suggest we get rid of it ?

 then we all hibernate for 3 weeks obviously with government instructions, and in theory it will kill off all transmission of the virus as it only stays alive on an infected person for 11 days apparently.

New Zealand had no cases for over a 100 days........... then reappeared. 

Aranyani

[DELETED USER] said:

Aranyani said:

[DELETED USER] said:

As someone with a hidden disability I really get annoyed at people abusing this. Was in IKEA the other day and a whole family wasn't wearing masks. One had a lanyard. Kept well away.

Maybe the one with the lanyard was deaf and the others weren't wearing masks so they could read their lips?

They make transparent masks and face shields.

So?  They reflect light and can still make lip reading difficult, its a legitimate exemption and its nobody's job to go round judging strangers.