New face covering measures

Aranyani

Yahoo_Mail said:

MidsHollie said:

It’s not just about deaths though is it. 

For every 100 people that go to ICU that are working at time of illness, only 66 return to work. So 33 will rely on benefits for the rest of their lives and suffer the effects that unwanted unemployment gives. As a young, reasonably healthy female with no known underlying health conditions, I am considered low risk. Getting COVID and dying is of some concern to me. But getting COVID related disability and being unable to work again terrifies me.

The excess deaths that COVID has bought, and the unsupported grief is tragic. But the impact of long term disability as a result of COVID will be felt by individuals, families and the nation as a whole for many years to come. 

By 2 May, there were 25 Covid-19 admissions per 100,000 population for those aged 60 to 69-years-old.

By comparison, there were 3.6 admissions per 100,000 in the 16 to 49-years-old category."

So based on your figures of 1/3 being unable to work again, 1 in 100,000 people in the population aged 16-49 will get COVID, be hospitalised, sent to ICU and then be unable to work again.  

49 is many years off retirement for most. 

Yahoo_Mail

Aranyani said:

Yahoo_Mail said:

MidsHollie said:

It’s not just about deaths though is it. 

For every 100 people that go to ICU that are working at time of illness, only 66 return to work. So 33 will rely on benefits for the rest of their lives and suffer the effects that unwanted unemployment gives. As a young, reasonably healthy female with no known underlying health conditions, I am considered low risk. Getting COVID and dying is of some concern to me. But getting COVID related disability and being unable to work again terrifies me.

The excess deaths that COVID has bought, and the unsupported grief is tragic. But the impact of long term disability as a result of COVID will be felt by individuals, families and the nation as a whole for many years to come. 

By 2 May, there were 25 Covid-19 admissions per 100,000 population for those aged 60 to 69-years-old.

By comparison, there were 3.6 admissions per 100,000 in the 16 to 49-years-old category."

So based on your figures of 1/3 being unable to work again, 1 in 100,000 people in the population aged 16-49 will get COVID, be hospitalised, sent to ICU and then be unable to work again.  

49 is many years off retirement for most. 

She said she was "young."  No offence but I'm not sure anyone who is 49 would refer to themselves as young, other than tongue in cheek.  And I'm not sure why you're bringing up 49 years old and retired.  I wasn't referring to them, I was referring to the vast majority of ICU admissions, who are pensioners.  You know, people who are retired.

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Aranyani said:

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Aranyani said:

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As someone with a hidden disability I really get annoyed at people abusing this. Was in IKEA the other day and a whole family wasn't wearing masks. One had a lanyard. Kept well away.

Maybe the one with the lanyard was deaf and the others weren't wearing masks so they could read their lips?

They make transparent masks and face shields.

So?  They reflect light and can still make lip reading difficult, its a legitimate exemption and its nobody's job to go round judging strangers.

Sorry but even if there was some contrived reason why they absolutely couldn't wear any kind of face covering at all and absolutely had to go around taking loudly and laughing, there is no reason why the whole family needed to be there.

Some of us are trying our best to minimize risk.

ToxicWomble

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Aranyani said:

[DELETED USER] said:

Aranyani said:

[DELETED USER] said:

As someone with a hidden disability I really get annoyed at people abusing this. Was in IKEA the other day and a whole family wasn't wearing masks. One had a lanyard. Kept well away.

Maybe the one with the lanyard was deaf and the others weren't wearing masks so they could read their lips?

They make transparent masks and face shields.

So?  They reflect light and can still make lip reading difficult, its a legitimate exemption and its nobody's job to go round judging strangers.

Sorry but even if there was some contrived reason why they absolutely couldn't wear any kind of face covering at all and absolutely had to go around taking loudly and laughing, there is no reason why the whole family needed to be there.

Some of us are trying our best to minimize risk.

Agreed - I do frequently get quite irked about others seemingly not able to even understand and follow the basics.
Often wonder “why the hell am I bothering if you aren’t “ but then realise that I’m looking after myself and couldn’t give 2 whatever’s if other people want to risk the health of their own families

Aranyani

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Aranyani said:

[DELETED USER] said:

Aranyani said:

[DELETED USER] said:

As someone with a hidden disability I really get annoyed at people abusing this. Was in IKEA the other day and a whole family wasn't wearing masks. One had a lanyard. Kept well away.

Maybe the one with the lanyard was deaf and the others weren't wearing masks so they could read their lips?

They make transparent masks and face shields.

So?  They reflect light and can still make lip reading difficult, its a legitimate exemption and its nobody's job to go round judging strangers.

Sorry but even if there was some contrived reason why they absolutely couldn't wear any kind of face covering at all and absolutely had to go around taking loudly and laughing, there is no reason why the whole family needed to be there.

Some of us are trying our best to minimize risk.

And some of you seem to be doing your best to find reasons to criticise and shame and judge other people who are behaving entirely within the law/guidance.

MidsHollie

Yahoo_Mail said:

It's incredibly small, most of the people who are in ICU are much much older and frankly, most won't have been working for years.

 I wonder what the statistics are for other illnesses?  Willing to bet most are much higher.  If you're seriously worried about that, It might be best to avoid leaving the house altogether, for the rest of your life.  Although that comes with its own set of risks too...

The current average age of ITU admissions at the NHS trust that I work at is early 50’s. 

What statistics? Recovery statistics? Mortality statistics? Return to work statistics? They are all out there, and actually fairly easy to find. Why don’t you tell me what you’d like and I’ll look them up for you. 

Essentially though, I’d be keen to continue to live an active and able life that enables me to earn a living. That’s why I wear a seatbelt, Have a carbon monoxide monitor in my home, Wear a cycle helmet, and wear a mask. 

Yahoo_Mail

MidsHollie said:

Yahoo_Mail said:

It's incredibly small, most of the people who are in ICU are much much older and frankly, most won't have been working for years.

 I wonder what the statistics are for other illnesses?  Willing to bet most are much higher.  If you're seriously worried about that, It might be best to avoid leaving the house altogether, for the rest of your life.  Although that comes with its own set of risks too...

The current average age of ITU admissions at the NHS trust that I work at is early 50’s. 

What statistics? Recovery statistics? Mortality statistics? Return to work statistics? They are all out there, and actually fairly easy to find. Why don’t you tell me what you’d like and I’ll look them up for you. 

Essentially though, I’d be keen to continue to live an active and able life that enables me to earn a living. That’s why I wear a seatbelt, Have a carbon monoxide monitor in my home, Wear a cycle helmet, and wear a mask. 

The average age of ITU admissions is irrelevant.

Show us, give us a link, to the average age of ITU admissions for CORONAVIRUS.  Then show us a breakdown by age, and the numbers admitted in total.

The closest I can find is that BBC article I linked (I'd love to find more detailed stats but they don't seem to be easy to find.) If you have the stats for your NHS trust of the number of 16-49 COVID patients admitted into ICU, I'd love to see it.

Might want to read this before you walk of the door tomorrow....

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/jan/14/mortality-statistics-causes-death-england-wales-2009

I'd avoid using steps, 644 people died from falling on or from steps and stairs, in one year!  A lot more than the 290 people that based on your figures would be "disabled" from Coronavirus in total.

MalMonroe

Yahoo_Mail said:

MidsHollie said:

Yahoo_Mail said:

It's incredibly small, most of the people who are in ICU are much much older and frankly, most won't have been working for years.

 I wonder what the statistics are for other illnesses?  Willing to bet most are much higher.  If you're seriously worried about that, It might be best to avoid leaving the house altogether, for the rest of your life.  Although that comes with its own set of risks too...

The current average age of ITU admissions at the NHS trust that I work at is early 50’s. 

What statistics? Recovery statistics? Mortality statistics? Return to work statistics? They are all out there, and actually fairly easy to find. Why don’t you tell me what you’d like and I’ll look them up for you. 

Essentially though, I’d be keen to continue to live an active and able life that enables me to earn a living. That’s why I wear a seatbelt, Have a carbon monoxide monitor in my home, Wear a cycle helmet, and wear a mask. 

The average age of ITU admissions is irrelevant.

Show us, give us a link, to the average age of ITU admissions for CORONAVIRUS.  Then show us a breakdown by age, and the numbers admitted in total.

The closest I can find is that BBC article I linked (I'd love to find more detailed stats but they don't seem to be easy to find.) If you have the stats for your NHS trust of the number of 16-49 COVID patients admitted into ICU, I'd love to see it.

Might want to read this before you walk of the door tomorrow....

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/jan/14/mortality-statistics-causes-death-england-wales-2009

I'd avoid using steps, 644 people died from falling on or from steps and stairs, in one year!  A lot more than the 290 people that based on your figures would be "disabled" from Coronavirus in total.

Trying to belittle the effects of coronavirus by comparing them to numbers of people falling down steps is really ignorant and silly. The 'statistics' you provide are very old too.

These statistics in connection with coronavirus are up to date -
 https://!!!!!!/2G3e2jm

You do what you have to do. 

I will not be stepping out of my door tomorrow. 

Yahoo_Mail

MalMonroe said:

Yahoo_Mail said:

MidsHollie said:

Yahoo_Mail said:

It's incredibly small, most of the people who are in ICU are much much older and frankly, most won't have been working for years.

 I wonder what the statistics are for other illnesses?  Willing to bet most are much higher.  If you're seriously worried about that, It might be best to avoid leaving the house altogether, for the rest of your life.  Although that comes with its own set of risks too...

The current average age of ITU admissions at the NHS trust that I work at is early 50’s. 

What statistics? Recovery statistics? Mortality statistics? Return to work statistics? They are all out there, and actually fairly easy to find. Why don’t you tell me what you’d like and I’ll look them up for you. 

Essentially though, I’d be keen to continue to live an active and able life that enables me to earn a living. That’s why I wear a seatbelt, Have a carbon monoxide monitor in my home, Wear a cycle helmet, and wear a mask. 

The average age of ITU admissions is irrelevant.

Show us, give us a link, to the average age of ITU admissions for CORONAVIRUS.  Then show us a breakdown by age, and the numbers admitted in total.

The closest I can find is that BBC article I linked (I'd love to find more detailed stats but they don't seem to be easy to find.) If you have the stats for your NHS trust of the number of 16-49 COVID patients admitted into ICU, I'd love to see it.

Might want to read this before you walk of the door tomorrow....

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/jan/14/mortality-statistics-causes-death-england-wales-2009

I'd avoid using steps, 644 people died from falling on or from steps and stairs, in one year!  A lot more than the 290 people that based on your figures would be "disabled" from Coronavirus in total.

Trying to belittle the effects of coronavirus by comparing them to numbers of people falling down steps is really ignorant and silly. The 'statistics' you provide are very old too.

These statistics in connection with coronavirus are up to date -
 https://!!!!!!/2G3e2jm

You do what you have to do. 

I will not be stepping out of my door tomorrow. 

I'm fully aware of the coronavirus.data.gov.uk stats, thank you very much.  They are meaningless in the context of this discussion.  They do not even state how many people are in ICU, let alone the breakdown of their ages.

This is a critical point to this discussion, we all accept people are in ICU, people are contracting it and people are dying of it, but statistics are VERY relevant here.  The person you're referring to said that it's not just dying that's the issue (while accepting that deaths are low) but being permanently disabled after being sent to ICU.

They then gave average figures for that across ALL ICU admissions (1 in 3)

I gave the best figures for ICU admissions by age for Coronavirus I could give (3.6 in 100,000 for 16-49), given the lack of otherwise hard data and the obvious result is that around 1 in 100,000 may suffer a permanent disability due to coronavirus, which extrapolated across the entire population of 16-49 year olds, is about 290 people.

644 people a year in 2009 died from falling on stairs, do you think people have suddenly stopped falling on stairs 11 years later?

I don't want to worry you people who are going to stay at home but https://www.rospa.com/Home-Safety/Advice/General/Facts-and-Figures  says 

• Every year across the UK, there are approximately 6,000 deaths as a result of home accidents

So you're not safe at home either.

Edit: I'd also appreciate you, specifically YOU MalMonroe, not butting into any thread I'm contributing to, as you have been shown to have no idea what you're talking about and are a general nuisance to every thread you join.

MidsHollie

If people who ‘butt in London to threads aren’t welcome, then I suppose I better head out of this thread. 

For anyone who is interested in what post Covid recovery really looks like though, you might want to read this
https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2020/06/C0705-aftercare-needs-of-inpatients-recovering-from-covid-19-aug-2020.pdf

good luck all, wether that be against COVID, the stairs, anything.....