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  • Hi all,
    Newbie poster here so be gentle with me. :)
     Have also got a Letter before claim from CST law for a ticket that my wife had from almost 4 years ago.
    As far as she can remember, well she can't really (!) she either popped in for 5 mins to get change or bought a ticket but didn't display it properly. 
    When we got letters from UKPC and DRP i  told her (rightly or wrongly) to just ignore them all. I didn't keep any of them.
    I partly now wish we had paid the fine......mad i know.

    I have read the Newbie thread and this one, (and my head is spinning!) and just want to check that what i am doing is correct. Will attach CST letter below.
    I am going to e mail UK parking Control Ltd requesting SAR. I copied basic letter SAR form, from Newbie advice under that part of the Forum.
    I am then going to e-mail CST law, not absolutely sure of the wording but copying Troubled 42 response along the lines that i, (my wife actually!) 

    "I am seeking debt advice but I deny any debt and the case must be put ‘on hold’ for not less than 30 days under the PAP for debt claims 2017. Please respond to confirm this.
    I have submitted a Subject Access Request (SAR) to your client as I have insufficient information to date"

    Not sure if i need to add anything else? Do i need to question their Authority to add debt to the existing amount? There is no detailed breakdown of how this has been made up.

    I note with interest that on their how to pay form it lists DRP as who to pay and wonder why it is not UK parking Control?
    Do DRP own the "debt" now, if not how is that legal?

    Can someone let me know that this is correct. I know nearly all of this is covered here but just want to check.
    What is the next process, just wait for responses?
    Many thanks to all who contribute on here as you are doing a great service for all of us who get stuck in this sort of mess !!

    Cheers
    Paul




  • beamerguy
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    I agree with Umkomaas, really what on earth is the point?  We know the additions are not recoverable and we know why.

    We've said before here that encouraging people to write utterly pointless emails asking the scammers to justify the unjustifiable, simply generates more work for us when they all come back, quoting (utterly pointlessly yet again) from the useless reply and asking for a poxy 'next step'. 

    Please no.  Can we just stop telling people to email useless stuff and causing us regulars more work.  I can't be bothered with this thread any more if all the posters on the group thread are going to think they should write some daft email about the added £60 or £75, then ask us about it, again and again and again.  Then come back and tell us about the reply they got, again and again and again.

    I'm out of this thread if it's going to descend into silly email tennis with CST. 

    JUST SIT AND WAIT FOR A CLAIM AND GET A SAR FROM THE PARKING FIRM, EVERYONE.  AND MAKE SURE YOU TELL THEM TO ERASE YOUR OLD ADRESS IF THE PARKING FIRM EVER HAD TWO ADDRESSES (e.g. if you never got the PCN letters).

    THAT IS ALL. NOTHING ELSE.  DON'T ASK US ABOUT THE STUPID ADDED COSTS.

    You are in a bad mood C-m

    I have to disagree . Better to pinch the problem in the bud and if not you have something to take to court.  Waiting for a court claim to arrive, actually gives everybody more work sifting through the proposed WS etc. to which you personally spend a lot of time on

    CST are only sending out these crap letters looking for mugs.  They work on the basis that because the word "LAW" is on their letterhead people will just pay.
    If CST select to ignore a letter, who cares, that is their problem and beneficial to the D
    We already know there are judges who are clueless about this. Why not let CST understand what they are into

    Letters to CST going back months remain ignored and so is their 30 day threat.

    Remember BWLegal who ignored such letters, and were crushed by a judge, not just once but many times.  

    Bottom line is that I would rather get these false claims stopped before actual court claims begin.
    I previously said this via email to you

    If the dodgy flies wish to knowingly walk into the spiders web, seriously that is a problem for them
    And, less work for this forum
  • beamerguy
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    I note with interest that on their how to pay form it lists DRP as who to pay and wonder why it is not UK parking Control?
    Do DRP own the "debt" now, if not how is that legal?

    That question is answered on this thread very clearly.
    NO .... DRP do not own the debt.  This is just a game of musical chairs that CST play with.

  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 151,354 Forumite
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    Hi all,
    Newbie poster here so be gentle with me. :)
     Have also got a Letter before claim from CST law for a ticket that my wife had from almost 4 years ago.
    As far as she can remember, well she can't really (!) she either popped in for 5 mins to get change or bought a ticket but didn't display it properly. 
    When we got letters from UKPC and DRP i  told her (rightly or wrongly) to just ignore them all. I didn't keep any of them.
    I partly now wish we had paid the fine......mad i know.

    I have read the Newbie thread and this one, (and my head is spinning!) and just want to check that what i am doing is correct. Will attach CST letter below.
    I am going to e mail UK parking Control Ltd requesting SAR. I copied basic letter SAR form, from Newbie advice under that part of the Forum.
    I am then going to e-mail CST law, not absolutely sure of the wording but copying Troubled 42 response along the lines that i, (my wife actually!) 

    "I am seeking debt advice but I deny any debt and the case must be put ‘on hold’ for not less than 30 days under the PAP for debt claims 2017. Please respond to confirm this.
    I have submitted a Subject Access Request (SAR) to your client as I have insufficient information to date"

    Not sure if i need to add anything else? Do i need to question their Authority to add debt to the existing amount? There is no detailed breakdown of how this has been made up.

    I note with interest that on their how to pay form it lists DRP as who to pay and wonder why it is not UK parking Control?
    Do DRP own the "debt" now, if not how is that legal?

    Can someone let me know that this is correct. I know nearly all of this is covered here but just want to check.
    What is the next process, just wait for responses?
    Many thanks to all who contribute on here as you are doing a great service for all of us who get stuck in this sort of mess !!

    Your plan is right.  Don't wrote daft emails asking CST Law to justify the added false sums though. It doesn't stop the scam claims and we all know the stupid added costs are unrecoverable and so do the vast majority of Judges.

    Do DRP own the "debt" now, if not how is that legal?
    They do not.  Parking charges can't be sold or assigned because the DVLA actually made one useful decision for consumers and said they can't do that.  Apart from that, the DVLA is happy to hand over 8.4 million registered keeper records per annum to this scam industry, for no profit for themselves/the Country.

    It just lines the pockets of what the DVLA should know are thugs, criminals and/or merely a group of pigheaded, sociopathic moneygrabbers.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
    CLICK at the top or bottom of any page where it says:
    Home»Motoring»Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
  • Umkomaas
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    @beamerguy - do you think it helps to continue to encourage posters to ask the questions to CST about the unlawful add-on, to which I have never yet seen a showstopper response, and risk the loss of @Coupon-mad's expertise and advice from this thread?  How does that help the many posters now piling into the thread?

    Which do you feel is the most useful?  It seems to me it's an either/or!
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    Private Parking Firms - Killing the High Street
  • beamerguy
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    Umkomaas said:
    @beamerguy - do you think it helps to continue to encourage posters to ask the questions to CST about the unlawful add-on, to which I have never yet seen a showstopper response, and risk the loss of @Coupon-mad's expertise and advice from this thread?  How does that help the many posters now piling into the thread?

    Which do you feel is the most useful?  It seems to me it's an either/or!
    Yes I do for the reasons I highlighted above.
    You will never see a "showstopper" response because they have none. I'm sure you remember on TV "Call my bluff" ..... this is really is a game of chance for CST with these old tickets, they know that but as I keep saying they are mug hunters and rely on ignorant people who know nothing about the scam.  They are as you know a division of Credit Style so in a nutshell .. debt collectors

    I highly respect @Coupon-mad's expertise and you know, that kicks in when an actual claim is issued.  On that, I follow with interest and never go against what she says.
    HOWEVER, if CST followed through with their claims, and there must be hundreds floating around, coupon could not cope ?

    Those I help on here off forum, there are many, who receive these daft 30 day LBA's never here from them again, these goes back months. And even if they try within 6 years the same letter applies. 

    The letter works even if they don't reply,  You have not seen the letter because it's done off forum, if you wish 
    Umkomaas I will send via PM and indeed any regular who ask

    I will add that due to the nature of the forum I will not send to anyone who asks for it

    I will again say that I do not agree with coupon on this ... they are not 
    daft emails

    You see, never said this before but I am a 70 year oldie who has run a very successful company and never put up with the rubbish that these legals push out.  I agree with a lot of what Sir Dance says albiet he might not put it across in the right way.   He is OK and a good chap.

    Finally, I received a PM from a judge who is a member here but not active.
    Judges are looking for dodgy unreliable claims .... CST are doing just that



  • Umkomaas
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    You will never see a "showstopper" response because they have none.
    I wasn't suggesting a 'showstopper' for them, I was referring to a 'showstopper' for us!

    We each have our views on this. Mine hasn't changed. 
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.

    Private Parking Firms - Killing the High Street
  • beamerguy
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    Umkomaas said:
    You will never see a "showstopper" response because they have none.
    I wasn't suggesting a 'showstopper' for them, I was referring to a 'showstopper' for us!

    We each have our views on this. Mine hasn't changed. 
    That's ok nor has mine ...... will let you know if the letter starts a county court claim, doubt it
  • Hi Guys
    I've been told to have a look through this thread. Can anyone help? I understand that most cases are the same but i have a few questions that i would like answered specifically.
    I've been reading the forum for about a week now. There is a lot of good information here. Its a lot to sort through so I'm sorry for making a new thread, I know you are all busy.

    I'll give the facts of the case but before i do i want to ask if they have gotten my initials wrong on almost all of the letters I've had from CST, smart and the bullies DRP, will this case go to court or will it be thrown out? I don't mind sharing the un-redacted version privately if that helps, essentially they have got the wrong middle initial.
    It is my partners car and she has already told them that I was driving so that wont help. I parked in a disused closed co op car park in nov 19. The car park I usually use was full and this one is opposite. I was only there for 12 minutes in total including driving in and out and trying to pay for approximately 3 minutes. The coins just kept coming back out. There was another person after me who had the same problem. I wish i had taken the persons number or a video of me trying to pay but this is my first experience of this. I appealed using the reasons above but was rejected. Due to work commitments i missed the POPLA appeal. I would love to be able to get justice without going to court but im willing to fight if needed. I've attached the letter below for you to have a gander at.
    Any help would be appreciated. I have a lot of respect for what you do here as its your own time and you don't get paid.
    Thanks in Advanced



  • beamerguy
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    malakai13 said:
    Hi Guys
    I've been told to have a look through this thread. Can anyone help? I understand that most cases are the same but i have a few questions that i would like answered specifically.
    I've been reading the forum for about a week now. There is a lot of good information here. Its a lot to sort through so I'm sorry for making a new thread, I know you are all busy.

    I'll give the facts of the case but before i do i want to ask if they have gotten my initials wrong on almost all of the letters I've had from CST, smart and the bullies DRP, will this case go to court or will it be thrown out? I don't mind sharing the un-redacted version privately if that helps, essentially they have got the wrong middle initial.
    It is my partners car and she has already told them that I was driving so that wont help. I parked in a disused closed co op car park in nov 19. The car park I usually use was full and this one is opposite. I was only there for 12 minutes in total including driving in and out and trying to pay for approximately 3 minutes. The coins just kept coming back out. There was another person after me who had the same problem. I wish i had taken the persons number or a video of me trying to pay but this is my first experience of this. I appealed using the reasons above but was rejected. Due to work commitments i missed the POPLA appeal. I would love to be able to get justice without going to court but im willing to fight if needed. I've attached the letter below for you to have a gander at.
    Any help would be appreciated. I have a lot of respect for what you do here as its your own time and you don't get paid.
    Thanks in Advanced



    Another load of utter crap from CST .... the S in their name is SCAM

    So look, you don't want a fake court claim,, the courts don't want a fake claim, we don't want want a fake claim on here ...... CST are mug hunting so show these wannabees you are not a mug.

    There is a letter that mug hunters cannot reply to, if they do it will be rubbish and if they don't, perfect for you if they are stupid enough to go to court.

    This is seriously a mug hunters letter and you can PM me.

    CST are sending out copy and paste letters ....... you will be returning the favour.

    UPDATE: So far CST do not reply .... and nor will they


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