Time-wasting viewer?

Grumpy_chap

Scythi said:

hazyjo said:

What size is that bedroom?

12x12 with en suite and built in triple wardrobe

Is that 12m x 12m?  Massive!
If that is 12' x 12' it is barely any bigger than our box-room that we use as a study.  Certainly not big for a master bedroom.

With regard to a serious buyer or a time-waster, you never can tell and even the same individual will behave differently in different circumstances:

• My first house, I walked in through the front door, looked into the kitchen and immediately said "I'll take it" and offered £501 less than asking price, to avoid a stamp duty threshold.  The Estate Agent was rather taken aback and suggested I might want to view the living room or, maybe, upstairs.
• My current house, the Estate Agent really needed to earn their wage just to persuade me to view and then I was umming and ahhing for ages with the Estate Agent really working hard to get me to view again and sweating the offer out of me.

Bonniepurple

Grumpy_chap said:

Scythi said:

hazyjo said:

What size is that bedroom?

12x12 with en suite and built in triple wardrobe

Is that 12m x 12m?  Massive!
If that is 12' x 12' it is barely any bigger than our box-room that we use as a study.  Certainly not big for a master bedroom.

With regard to a serious buyer or a time-waster, you never can tell and even the same individual will behave differently in different circumstances:

• My first house, I walked in through the front door, looked into the kitchen and immediately said "I'll take it" and offered £501 less than asking price, to avoid a stamp duty threshold.  The Estate Agent was rather taken aback and suggested I might want to view the living room or, maybe, upstairs.
• My current house, the Estate Agent really needed to earn their wage just to persuade me to view and then I was umming and ahhing for ages with the Estate Agent really working hard to get me to view again and sweating the offer out of me.

Love the first one!  With us, both houses we’ve owned we both vetoed for various reasons and had to be talked into them by family.  I think that at the start of a house hunting journey you have a vision of what you want, and then as you view more houses you realise that what you want either doesn’t work, or is around- at about £50k more than your budget.  We are now thinking of moving again and are trying to work out whether the compromise we would have to make on a different place (smaller garage, less garden) is less than the compromises that we currently have (location, small box room and only one bathroom!).

StacFace

MysteryMe said:

It's likely to just be a polite way of saying they are no longer interested without causing offence. 
The bedroom sizes are known before they set foot in the door. 

It could still be the bedroom sizes, sometimes it's hard to visualise what that size is without being in the room or the room is an odd shape & measurements are for the widest parts etc.

From the perspective of a FTB - I recently viewed a property where the kitchen was listed as 11' 10" x 8' 9" on the floorplan. Our current kitchen is 11' 8" x 9' 4", so it didn't seem too different on paper to me (smaller, but not massively so) and the pictures looked like it had enough room to add units to make it roughly comparable to our current kitchen. But once I viewed and was stood in the kitchen, it felt like half of the size. I noticed that all the units, dishwasher etc were slimmer than the ones we have, weren't as deep or tall, the ceiling was lower so not much room above cupboards, and I think the door being on the longer wall made it feel even smaller to me.

Crashy_Time

You really don`t want to get caught in the shuffling beds/photos/guitars etc. loop, there are hundreds of threads on here with people sucking up advice about how making a photo look less dark or whatever will snare them a buyer, it is painful to read TBH. The problems will be either 1) Price. 2) Size. 3) Area, or a combination of all three, and price is the lever that can control people`s perceptions of the other two. Why not camp out in the living room for a while and show the bedrooms as empty, would that help? 

Crashy_Time

Oh and I forgot number 4) The worst economic outlook probably in living memory? That for sure is going to be affecting how your viewers are thinking!

danlightbulb

Grumpy_chap said:

• My current house, the Estate Agent really needed to earn their wage just to persuade me to view and then I was umming and ahhing for ages with the Estate Agent really working hard to get me to view again and sweating the offer out of me.

I have never once had an agent (and im supposedly on all the books round here) call me up to even point me to a place for sale, let alone try and actually 'sell' the place proactively to me.

If the agent needed to convince you to view it and then convince you to make an offer, well I don't really understand what actually happened here? There must have been some issues if you didn't immediately like the place and why were you then willing to accept those issues after the agent had done his salesman blurb on you?

Unless we're talking million quid houses here which hardly anyone can buy so you get a more premium service and lots of choice, then this kind of experience continually confuses me when people say its happened to them on here because as I say, Ive never had a single call from an agent.

Scythi

Grumpy_chap said:

Scythi said:

hazyjo said:

What size is that bedroom?

12x12 with en suite and built in triple wardrobe

Is that 12m x 12m?  Massive!
If that is 12' x 12' it is barely any bigger than our box-room that we use as a study.  Certainly not big for a master bedroom.

With regard to a serious buyer or a time-waster, you never can tell and even the same individual will behave differently in different circumstances:

• My first house, I walked in through the front door, looked into the kitchen and immediately said "I'll take it" and offered £501 less than asking price, to avoid a stamp duty threshold.  The Estate Agent was rather taken aback and suggested I might want to view the living room or, maybe, upstairs.
• My current house, the Estate Agent really needed to earn their wage just to persuade me to view and then I was umming and ahhing for ages with the Estate Agent really working hard to get me to view again and sweating the offer out of me.

12 by 12 feet, i dont think its small

daivid

MysteryMe said:

daivid said:

MysteryMe said:

It's likely to just be a polite way of saying they are no longer interested without causing offence. 
The bedroom sizes are known before they set foot in the 

Very plausible, but...

MysteryMe said:

The bedroom sizes are known before they set foot in the door. 

To me this relies on a number of shaky assumptions:
That the details provided by the EA are complete, accurate and honest.
That the viewers have looked at said details.
That the viewers can visualise what x ft by y ft actually translates to.

 For the OP, if the useable floorspace of the room is 10ft by 12ft then it sounds like a perfectly reasonable size for a ftb home, especially if a good amount of storage is present the addition to the 10x12. If your bed is bigger than kingsize I suspect the room will feel cramped, particularly as the en suite adds to the restraints on placing furniture. If the bed is particularly large swapping it for a standard double would make the room appear much more generous - there are good reasons many show homes use undersized furniture!

"Shaky assumptions"  It was based on experience of giving and receiving feedback over several house transactions over several years but of course if you think a non buyers feedback is likely to be honest who am I to burst your bubble.......

So how does your experience of several transactions over several years tell you what a first time buyer does or does not know before they walk through the door?

davidmcn

Grumpy_chap said:

Scythi said:

hazyjo said:

What size is that bedroom?

12x12 with en suite and built in triple wardrobe

Is that 12m x 12m?  Massive!
If that is 12' x 12' it is barely any bigger than our box-room that we use as a study.  Certainly not big for a master bedroom.

12 feet square isn't notably large but it's pretty standard for a main bedroom. It's massive for a box-room!

Grumpy_chap

danlightbulb said:

If the agent needed to convince you to view it and then convince you to make an offer, well I don't really understand what actually happened here? There must have been some issues if you didn't immediately like the place and why were you then willing to accept those issues after the agent had done his salesman blurb on you?

My house has great location but is mid-terrace (wanted at least a semi) and was in need of substantial 'modernisation' - plus outside the top of budget.  We certainly didn't think we could afford the improvement work.  Still, been here 21 years now, it is all extended and done up (how we want it), very spacious and wouldn't move for the world! 

The EA did have to do a lot of persuading to get us to view (and to maintain our interest) and also on the vendor to get the price adjusted to something we could get in.  The first 5 years it was in an awful state.