Shih Tzu puppy now walking fine

RelievedSheff

renegadefm said:

suki1964 said:

It boils my pee when people who have a b!tch refuse to spay it because they want her to have a litter

Why? Why allow a b1tch to have a litter when you have no intention of keeping the pups? The only reason I can see is they see the pound signs, simple as. In my day, when you had a b!tch that you couldn't afford to have spayed or she got caught before you could, you put an ad in the vets or a shop window offering the pups to good homes, thats where most of us got our first pups, or from Battersea, It was only those who were wanting to show their dogs who had the money for pedigrees, and finding a breeder and having to go on the waiting list

When I got my last boy, I spent 6 weeks on the phone to breed club secretaries and breeders before I was accepted by one, and then I only got on the reserve list, being lucky to get my pup as someone dropping out and me having previous experience of the breed. I never even got to choose, the breeder interviewed perspective owners and matched the pup to the owner

The internet has a lot to answer for. Too easy for someone to see how much a pup can be worth and think oh look, Ive a b1tch - kerchang !!!

But like I said already loads of times, the original plan or idea behind it was so daughter had a free puppy basically. Any extra would have been a bonus I admit that. Not forgetting the owners of the stud dog had first pick of the litter.  But the mum only had 2 puppies, so nature decided it was never going to be a money making thing because another family member wanted the other one badly who has mental health issues, and that person was advised to have a pet to help that,  so it ended up we let them have the other puppy. So we sold it half the price a normal Shih Tzu sells for. But thar hasent covered what we have payed out so far. So we are at a loss so far. 

Having puppies from your !!!!!! was never going to be free. There were always going to be costs involved!

Surely the money you have taken for the puppy you have already sold can pay for the treatment of the other puppy should any be needed?

renegadefm

Pollycat said:

renegadefm said:

But like I said already loads of times, the original plan or idea behind it was so daughter had a free puppy basically. Any extra would have been a bonus I admit that. Not forgetting the owners of the stud dog had first pick of the litter.  But the mum only had 2 puppies, so nature decided it was never going to be a money making thing because another family member wanted the other one badly who has mental health issues, and that person was advised to have a pet to help that,  so it ended up we let them have the other puppy. So we sold it half the price a normal Shih Tzu sells for. But thar hasent covered what we have payed out so far. So we are at a loss so far. 

Why does a 4 or 5 year old need a puppy when you already have a dog of the same breed?

Dogs are not toys.

renegadefm said:

The x-ray is booked in for today at midday. Its the vets that said worse case sinario if the puppy has a deformation of some kind it might not have a quality of life. For example might not be able to walk so would need to be put to sleep. Not a decision to be taken lightly. I was merely stating facts. These things happen everyday, its nothing to do with attitude from us. Nature decides what lives and what doesn't. 

But don't you think it's a good idea to give nature a helping hand and ensure you have a healthy b i t c h to breed with a healthy dog?

That ensures the next generation has a better chance of being healthy.

It's your attitude to breeding that is the problem.

Its not really my attitude though is it? How many times do I need to mention, its my partners venture. But I admit I didnt see anything wrong with it.
The thing is, if your made of money you are more likely to do things legitimately and legal. 
Its just that I dont trust vets. They seem to charge what they like. And are not punctual either. Imagine this, the puppies appointment for an xray was 12 o'clock. Its now gone 4 o'clock and I rang them and they havent xrayed her yet which is unprofessional because what if we had other things on today. Its just lucky I'm on a day off and got no other appointments or something. 

thorsoak

Have you learned anything from this thread?   Or do you still think that you are completely and utterly in the right?    

sheramber

Your vet may have had an emergency case come in. I have been that emergency case and was veery grateful the people who waited patiently until my pet was attended to.  I have also been happy to wait an hour for my appointment because  an emergency had come in.
Or been called out to an emergency
or a previous procedure may have turned out  to be more involved than first thought.
My dog went in for an op at a specialist vet at 9am but was not operated on until 5 pm due to an earlier case taking longer than expected.

What would have prevented you from doing something else or going somewhere else today? Your dog was safely held in the vets.  
Of course vets charge what they like. As do Asda, Tesco and any other retail supplier.

renegadefm

thorsoak said:

Have you learned anything from this thread?   Or do you still think that you are completely and utterly in the right?    

Like I said a million times it wasen't my venture. But yes its not something I would take part in again. 

Undervalued

renegadefm said:

Pollycat said:

renegadefm said:

But like I said already loads of times, the original plan or idea behind it was so daughter had a free puppy basically. Any extra would have been a bonus I admit that. Not forgetting the owners of the stud dog had first pick of the litter.  But the mum only had 2 puppies, so nature decided it was never going to be a money making thing because another family member wanted the other one badly who has mental health issues, and that person was advised to have a pet to help that,  so it ended up we let them have the other puppy. So we sold it half the price a normal Shih Tzu sells for. But thar hasent covered what we have payed out so far. So we are at a loss so far. 

Why does a 4 or 5 year old need a puppy when you already have a dog of the same breed?

Dogs are not toys.

renegadefm said:

The x-ray is booked in for today at midday. Its the vets that said worse case sinario if the puppy has a deformation of some kind it might not have a quality of life. For example might not be able to walk so would need to be put to sleep. Not a decision to be taken lightly. I was merely stating facts. These things happen everyday, its nothing to do with attitude from us. Nature decides what lives and what doesn't. 

But don't you think it's a good idea to give nature a helping hand and ensure you have a healthy b i t c h to breed with a healthy dog?

That ensures the next generation has a better chance of being healthy.

It's your attitude to breeding that is the problem.

Its not really my attitude though is it? How many times do I need to mention, its my partners venture. But I admit I didnt see anything wrong with it.
The thing is, if your made of money you are more likely to do things legitimately and legal. 
Its just that I dont trust vets. They seem to charge what they like. And are not punctual either. Imagine this, the puppies appointment for an xray was 12 o'clock. Its now gone 4 o'clock and I rang them and they havent xrayed her yet which is unprofessional because what if we had other things on today. Its just lucky I'm on a day off and got no other appointments or something. 

Then you either need to find one you do trust or stop owing pets.

Most professional services seem expensive whey you are paying. That doesn't mean they are making excessive profits.

Because of the NHS many people have no idea of the cost of providing medical care. A small private general dental practice needs to bill over £200 an hour to function and a high street vet won't be much different. Vets generally earn significant less than doctors, despite spending just as long qualifying. You need to be in the top 5% educationally to get into vet / medical / dental school and it is then five or six years before you earn anything at all. Nearer ten before you anything like a half decent salary.

Aylesbury_Duck

renegadefm said:

Pollycat said:

renegadefm said:

But like I said already loads of times, the original plan or idea behind it was so daughter had a free puppy basically. Any extra would have been a bonus I admit that. Not forgetting the owners of the stud dog had first pick of the litter.  But the mum only had 2 puppies, so nature decided it was never going to be a money making thing because another family member wanted the other one badly who has mental health issues, and that person was advised to have a pet to help that,  so it ended up we let them have the other puppy. So we sold it half the price a normal Shih Tzu sells for. But thar hasent covered what we have payed out so far. So we are at a loss so far. 

Why does a 4 or 5 year old need a puppy when you already have a dog of the same breed?

Dogs are not toys.

renegadefm said:

The x-ray is booked in for today at midday. Its the vets that said worse case sinario if the puppy has a deformation of some kind it might not have a quality of life. For example might not be able to walk so would need to be put to sleep. Not a decision to be taken lightly. I was merely stating facts. These things happen everyday, its nothing to do with attitude from us. Nature decides what lives and what doesn't. 

But don't you think it's a good idea to give nature a helping hand and ensure you have a healthy b i t c h to breed with a healthy dog?

That ensures the next generation has a better chance of being healthy.

It's your attitude to breeding that is the problem.

Its not really my attitude though is it? How many times do I need to mention, its my partners venture. But I admit I didnt see anything wrong with it.
The thing is, if your made of money you are more likely to do things legitimately and legal. 
Its just that I dont trust vets. They seem to charge what they like. And are not punctual either. Imagine this, the puppies appointment for an xray was 12 o'clock. Its now gone 4 o'clock and I rang them and they havent xrayed her yet which is unprofessional because what if we had other things on today. Its just lucky I'm on a day off and got no other appointments or something. 

For someone determined to abdicate responsibility for this whole unfortunate episode, you're doing an awful lot of the legwork.  This is as much your responsibility as it is your partner's, and your attempts to pass the blame onto her are just childish.  Take some responsibility for heaven's sake.

"Vets aren't punctual and they're unprofessional, which I'm going to make a fuss about about despite this whole situation being of my own doing.  It's lucky for that puppy that I'm on a day off."    Play that back to yourself and tell me you can't see how ridiculous you're being.

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The thing is, if your made of money you are more likely to do things legitimately and legal. 
I don't know about that, only 2.5 weeks before my pet Rags died, she went to the vets for an unrelated skin condition at which point the vet said to Dad 'not long left now' I knew nothing of this conversation until after she'd gone, on the night in question I was days from having started medication for anxiety so it was harder to raise help (at first I thought it was a hairball and that I was imaging things) whilst the mafia on here would be up in arms that I didn't take my cat to the vet and demand she be put to sleep, afterwards everyone said how Rags with her temperament went how she wanted to go after being with me nearly 10 years.  
If given the option to distance myself thanks to money in this particular situation, I would never have lived with myself.  I replayed that night so many times that all the money in the world would never have made it different from the handing over one of my last ever written cheque to the charity that allowed her to come to me, to the food and litter I'd make sure was there for my cat in the event of not being in a job.

Hope the puppy got on alright? I know when Rags went and I was facing an out of hours charge, leaving the cat carrier behind worked in my favour.  I later only had to find the then revised costing for dealing with the body.

Pollycat

renegadefm said:

Its not really my attitude though is it? How many times do I need to mention, its my partners venture. But I admit I didnt see anything wrong with it.
The thing is, if your made of money you are more likely to do things legitimately and legal. 
Its just that I dont trust vets. They seem to charge what they like. And are not punctual either. Imagine this, the puppies appointment for an xray was 12 o'clock. Its now gone 4 o'clock and I rang them and they havent xrayed her yet which is unprofessional because what if we had other things on today. Its just lucky I'm on a day off and got no other appointments or something. 

If you didn't see anything wrong with it, it most definitely is your attitude - as well as your partner's.

Dogs (and other pets) are living creatures.

Nobody should do anything remotely illegal regarding dogs (or other pets).

You shouldn't just breed them willy-nilly because a 4 year old has a whim to have a new puppy.

If you don't trust vets, you really shouldn't have any pet.

As for your vet not being punctual - haven't you heard of emergencies?

How do you know they're not dealing with an animal that's been run over. Or poisoned?

renegadefm

Pollycat said:

renegadefm said:

Its not really my attitude though is it? How many times do I need to mention, its my partners venture. But I admit I didnt see anything wrong with it.
The thing is, if your made of money you are more likely to do things legitimately and legal. 
Its just that I dont trust vets. They seem to charge what they like. And are not punctual either. Imagine this, the puppies appointment for an xray was 12 o'clock. Its now gone 4 o'clock and I rang them and they havent xrayed her yet which is unprofessional because what if we had other things on today. Its just lucky I'm on a day off and got no other appointments or something. 

If you didn't see anything wrong with it, it most definitely is your attitude - as well as your partner's.

Dogs (and other pets) are living creatures.

Nobody should do anything remotely illegal regarding dogs (or other pets).

You shouldn't just breed them willy-nilly because a 4 year old has a whim to have a new puppy.

If you don't trust vets, you really shouldn't have any pet.

As for your vet not being punctual - haven't you heard of emergencies?

How do you know they're not dealing with an animal that's been run over. Or poisoned?

Well emergencies or not 4 hours late on an appointment seems a bit excessive doesnt it? And the strange thing is, when we rang the last time to see what was taking so long, they acted all strange and said oh has no one rang you to collect it yet, I'm thinking my God how unprofessional. Plus the scan has to be sent off apparently, so we got to wait up to 10 days for results. They didnt tell us that initially. And the weird thing is the puppy since she's come back from the x-ray has been standing and walking better on her back legs. So my theory of we shoukd have just waited a bit longer rather than forking out over 200 pounds would have been ok. Because nothings going to be done for 10 days anyway. By that time the puppy might be walking fine.