Shih Tzu puppy now walking fine

renegadefm

Pollycat said:

renegadefm said:

Except its not my dog or my puppies, its my partners. 

Do you live together as a family?

If you do, do you not have a say in what happens in your household?

Please stop trying to put the blame for this - at best - thoughtless treatment of dogs onto someone else.

I do accept that I am involved by a certain degree, but I dont see why I should shoulder all the responsibilities in this matter. 
Look at it this way, if the puppy didnt have walking issues we wouldn't even be here talking about it. 
My partner before she met me used to breed all the time because where she used to live had a PDSA, so any vets bills were minimal.
Personally the only pets I have ever had is cats, but cats rome about outside and get caught pregnant that way. But once my cat had her first litter, I had her spade. But I gave the kittens to other family members. I wasent interested in making money.
So ok yes I could have put my foot down and said I dont agree with this venture, but really at the time I didnt see anything wrong with it. Its only now its caused a problem that its hit me. And yes I do feel guilty for not stopping it, but its too late now to keep beating myself up or causing a rift between me and my partner is it? Shes an adult and has her own mind doesnt she? The only things shes frustrated about is Cornwall doesnt have a PDSA, I assume in laymans terms a PDSA is a bit like the NHS, only difference is its voluntary run by donations which helps to keep vet bills down.
Even she regrets this venture now due to us not having money to fund if anything serious needs doing. 
But I will say the puppy seems to be walking and standing on her back legs a lot better the past 2 days. So I'm going to be brave and say I don't think anything serious is wrong. Dad reckons shes just a late developer and we were hasty booking the X-ray so soon, but we just followed the advice of the vets. But now we got to wait 10 days anyway to see results. So personally I dont see what was wrong in waiting another fortnight to see if she naturally improved anyway. But then I suppose if we did that its another 10 days on top of that for results if walking didnt improve. Its a catch 22 situation isnt it to know whats best to do. I got some agreeing with me we should have hanged on a bit longer, then others are saying we did the right thing by doing the X-ray when we did.
Either way I wont be involved in anything like this again. 

Aylesbury_Duck

The PDSA is there as a safety net for pet owners who through unfortunate circumstances, can't afford veterinary care.  It is not there as an NHS equivalent safety net for unscrupulous breeders.  You shouldn't be breeding dogs or taking on pets on the basis of access to the PDSA. You're abusing the charity by doing so and leaving them with less money to help genuine cases.

If I didn't know your posting history I'd think this was a wind-up.  How can people be as deliberately naive as this?!

renegadefm

sheramber said:

The pup may be walking better because she has had temporary relief from pain due to the aneasthetic or drugs she was given.

To be honest we don't think she was in pain anyway even before the X-ray. 
But its now a day after the aneasthetic which would have wore off by now and she stood up fine to eat out of a bowl today and walk about better which she wasent doing before the X-ray. Plus now shes play fighting with her sister more, so I dont know why but her going to see the vets has somehow worked a miracle cause she seems a happier puppy, unless its coincidence.
I guess I under valued vets, but I guess they have some very unpleasant jobs to do. I admit I initially thought they were making a fortune, but it is a skill at the end of the day. 
So I apologise to all vets for my nasty comments. I should have been applauding them. 

Mojisola

renegadefm said

My partner before she met me used to breed all the time because where she used to live had a PDSA, so any vets bills were minimal.  
The only things shes frustrated about is Cornwall doesnt have a PDSA, I assume in laymans terms a PDSA is a bit like the NHS, only difference is its voluntary run by donations which helps to keep vet bills down.

Your partner is sounding worse and worse!
What kind of person abuses a charity to run a money-making dog breeding business?
Did she pretend each time that the pregnancy was accidental?  

renegadefm

Aylesbury_Duck said:

The PDSA is there as a safety net for pet owners who through unfortunate circumstances, can't afford veterinary care.  It is not there as an NHS equivalent safety net for unscrupulous breeders.  You shouldn't be breeding dogs or taking on pets on the basis of access to the PDSA. You're abusing the charity by doing so and leaving them with less money to help genuine cases.

If I didn't know your posting history I'd think this was a wind-up.  How can people be as deliberately naive as this?!

I am genuinely naive because I have never breed before so I didnt know the pit falls. I wasent deliberately naive. 
When you say unscrupulous breeders I didnt feel I fall into that category because it was to me an innocent venture so that daughter could have a free puppy, at the time it kinda made sense. But its obviously back fired. But having said that, has it back fired because she is walking and standing a lot better now. 

renegadefm

Mojisola said:

renegadefm said

My partner before she met me used to breed all the time because where she used to live had a PDSA, so any vets bills were minimal.  
The only things shes frustrated about is Cornwall doesnt have a PDSA, I assume in laymans terms a PDSA is a bit like the NHS, only difference is its voluntary run by donations which helps to keep vet bills down.

Your partner is sounding worse and worse!
What kind of person abuses a charity to run a money-making dog breeding business?
Did she pretend each time that the pregnancy was accidental?  

Well I don't know what to say about that. I suppose she didnt deliberately abuse the system, but took advantage of what she thought was normal for her, I don't know. 
Who knows her family before her might have did that I dont know. 
She said it rarely went wrong when breeding anyway. 
Lets put it this way, I just literally asked her what a typical C Section under the PDSA would have cost her, and she said as long as she donated a minimum of £10 its no problem. So compare that to a standard vet which we were quoted £800 you can see why even she has been shocked.
I'm not making excuses for her, but you can see why people do what they do.
If the PDSA lets you get away with £10 for a C Section it enables you to have a free licence to breed as much as you like. And have so many pets as you like.
Maybe things like the PDSA need to be caught up with I don't know. 
Like I said this is all new me. 

Aylesbury_Duck

renegadefm said:

Mojisola said:

renegadefm said

My partner before she met me used to breed all the time because where she used to live had a PDSA, so any vets bills were minimal.  
The only things shes frustrated about is Cornwall doesnt have a PDSA, I assume in laymans terms a PDSA is a bit like the NHS, only difference is its voluntary run by donations which helps to keep vet bills down.

Your partner is sounding worse and worse!
What kind of person abuses a charity to run a money-making dog breeding business?
Did she pretend each time that the pregnancy was accidental?  

Well I don't know what to say about that. I suppose she didnt deliberately abuse the system, but took advantage of what she thought was normal for her, I don't know. 
Who knows her family before her might have did that I dont know. 
She said it rarely went wrong when breeding anyway. 
Lets put it this way, I just literally asked her what a typical C Section under the PDSA would have cost her, and she said as long as she donated a minimum of £10 its no problem. So compare that to a standard vet which we were quoted £800 you can see why even she has been shocked.
I'm not making excuses for her, but you can see why people do what they do.
If the PDSA lets you get away with £10 for a C Section it enables you to have a free licence to breed as much as you like. And have so many pets as you like.
Maybe things like the PDSA need to be caught up with I don't know. 
Like I said this is all new me. 

No, people need to stop exploiting good charities.  "Getting away with a £10 c section" is basically lumbering the charity with hundreds of pounds of costs it has to meet from its fundraising and donations.  People will have run, cycled, swum, held events, donated money or left legacies in wills to raise that money.  I don't expect they did so to subsidise unscrupulous breeders who used the charity for their own ends.

Charities like that will never turn cases away because they are good people with charitable objectives.  Your partner has exploited that by making the minimum donation to make money for herself, which is, well....you need to draw your own conclusions about your partner.  I certainly have.

A bit of advice:  I'd stop digging if I were you.  The more we learn about you and your partner, the worse you look.

renegadefm

Aylesbury_Duck said:

renegadefm said:

Mojisola said:

renegadefm said

My partner before she met me used to breed all the time because where she used to live had a PDSA, so any vets bills were minimal.  
The only things shes frustrated about is Cornwall doesnt have a PDSA, I assume in laymans terms a PDSA is a bit like the NHS, only difference is its voluntary run by donations which helps to keep vet bills down.

Your partner is sounding worse and worse!
What kind of person abuses a charity to run a money-making dog breeding business?
Did she pretend each time that the pregnancy was accidental?  

Well I don't know what to say about that. I suppose she didnt deliberately abuse the system, but took advantage of what she thought was normal for her, I don't know. 
Who knows her family before her might have did that I dont know. 
She said it rarely went wrong when breeding anyway. 
Lets put it this way, I just literally asked her what a typical C Section under the PDSA would have cost her, and she said as long as she donated a minimum of £10 its no problem. So compare that to a standard vet which we were quoted £800 you can see why even she has been shocked.
I'm not making excuses for her, but you can see why people do what they do.
If the PDSA lets you get away with £10 for a C Section it enables you to have a free licence to breed as much as you like. And have so many pets as you like.
Maybe things like the PDSA need to be caught up with I don't know. 
Like I said this is all new me. 

No, people need to stop exploiting good charities.  "Getting away with a £10 c section" is basically lumbering the charity with hundreds of pounds of costs it has to meet from its fundraising and donations.  People will have run, cycled, swum, held events, donated money or left legacies in wills to raise that money.  I don't expect they did so to subsidise unscrupulous breeders who used the charity for their own ends.

Charities like that will never turn cases away because they are good people with charitable objectives.  Your partner has exploited that by making the minimum donation to make money for herself, which is, well....you need to draw your own conclusions about your partner.  I certainly have.

A bit of advice:  I'd stop digging if I were you.  The more we learn about you and your partner, the worse you look.

Well I'm not the one digging, what she did before she met me I cant undo.
I personally have never breed anything other than 4 kittens, but they were all given to loving family members who were thrilled to have them and took good care of them. 
Obviously I have been brought up from a different background to that of my partner, but I am not going to let that cause arguments now. She is not really as you are judging, she will do anything for anyone. Has a kind heart. Lets cut her some slack a minute. If you're brought up in that type of environment why wouldn't you exploit it? 

Aylesbury_Duck

I've no idea what sort of environment she was raised in, I can only judge on what you have been freely telling us.  And it's not a good look.

renegadefm

Aylesbury_Duck said:

I've no idea what sort of environment she was raised in, I can only judge on what you have been freely telling us.  And it's not a good look.

Well I'm a believer of giving everyone a chance. Her background wasent good, her parents lived in a council house, and she too took that path. But she has a heart of gold which attracted me to her about 6 years ago now. Its not always nice to judge people from words on a forum. For example even me, I have been honest,  although a lot of people don't agree with me, I havent lied to you guys. I could have so easily just said I'm a professional breeder etc, but asked for advice based on that, because we are all constantly learning, so no one is above themselves, I get that.