Will Brexit happen?

lvader

phillw wrote: »

No, his job is to work for the best outcome of the country. That can include completely ignoring the will of the people. It's hard to argue a mandate when he hasn't been elected.



It's a deal for separating and to keep us going until we figure out the future arrangement. Leaving the EU is hard, not because of people frustrating it but because overall joining the EU makes things easier.

But why waste your time trying to convince Brexit MPs when there is a vast majority of remain MPs that won't do what you want?

phillw

lvader wrote: »

But why waste your time trying to convince Brexit MPs when there is a vast majority of remain MPs that won't do what you want?

They are doing what I want, there are court cases and there will be a bill bought into parliament.

I'm not sure how that has anything to do with what I said though.

lvader

phillw wrote: »

They are doing what I want, there are court cases and there will be a bill bought into parliament.

They don't need to go to court, they can propose the end of Brexit now and vote it though. Can't you see its all smoke and mirrors?

Herzlos

phillw wrote: »

Leaving the EU is hard, not because of people frustrating it but because overall joining the EU makes things easier.

Leaving the EU is trivial, if you don't want to keep all the benefits of being in it. It's just a case of invoke A50, pick an existing trade deal and then tweak it slightly, for WTO you can be out in weeks.

Conina

Tory MP Dr Phillip Lee has quit - and joined the LibDems ........... since his constituency (Bracknell) voted 53.9% for Brexit he probably thought it was the safest option but if a GE is on the way he probably won't remain an MP for long, like lots of others who are trying to deny Brexit and it serves the devious bar stools right.

Herzlos

There will probably be more defections from pro-EU Tory MPs, if they are going to get deselected anyway.

phillw

Conina wrote: »

Tory MP Dr Phillip Lee has quit - and joined the LibDems ........... since his constituency (Bracknell) voted 53.9% for Brexit he probably thought it was the safest option but if a GE is on the way he probably won't remain an MP for long, like lots of others who are trying to deny Brexit and it serves the devious bar stools right.

If he remained in the conservative party then he wouldn't be able to stand as Boris is about to deselect him. The brave MPs standing up to the undemocratic PM will long be held to be heros

Herzlos wrote: »

Leaving the EU is trivial, if you don't want to keep all the benefits of being in it. It's just a case of invoke A50, pick an existing trade deal and then tweak it slightly, for WTO you can be out in weeks.

Sure, like you can cut off an arm quite easily. It's the consequences that are hard.

lvader wrote: »

They don't need to go to court, they can propose the end of Brexit now and vote it though. Can't you see its all smoke and mirrors?

The court case is to stop Boris from his plan of proroguing government to prevent the MPs passing the bill. I'm not sure you understand what is happening. Boris is a bully that needs neutralizing, before he goes to the European Council on the 17th October.

If he goes there after winning a GE then the UK is in for a lot of pain.

Sailtheworld

Conina wrote: »

Tory MP Dr Phillip Lee has quit - and joined the LibDems ........... since his constituency (Bracknell) voted 53.9% for Brexit he probably thought it was the safest option but if a GE is on the way he probably won't remain an MP for long, like lots of others who are trying to deny Brexit and it serves the devious bar stools right.

He's going to be purged anyway. May as well stick to his principles

lvader

It still doesn't explain why remain MPs don't simply vote to remain, it also doesn't explain why you wouldn't want to push them to cancel Brexit. Or like Corbyn, you don't give a fig about Brexit and want Comrade Corbyn in power?

Takedap

TREVORCOLMAN wrote: »

Its interesting that those who voted leave are told they did not know what they were voting for whilst all those that wanted remain did? Therefore all leavers are idiots and all remainers clever?

I don't think that any Remainers have claimed that they knew exactly what leaving would mean for them. Just enough to believe that it was worse than remaining.


I certainly know more about the WTO & the tariffs that might ensue, the Good Friday agreement, motor manufacturing supply chains, the possibility of hormone fed beef & chlorinated chicken for the US, the movement of radioactive isotopes for the treatment of cancer & probably hundreds of other things.



If anyone can claim that they haven't learned anything since the day of the referendum, then they are either a hermit, a fool or a liar.