Will Brexit happen?

lisyloo

adindas wrote: »

And may I return your favour why you become an arch remoaner even you know that the current deal is very bad for the UK??.

The current deal were on (not the WA our current terms) are good for the Uk.

Remain voters (name calling is pathetic and childish) want the current deal not the WA.

lvader

lisyloo wrote: »

The current deal were on (not the WA our current terms) are good for the Uk.

Remain voters (name calling is pathetic and childish) want the current deal not the WA.

Just to be clear there is no deal, just a divorce settlement.

Herzlos

lvader wrote: »

Just to be clear there is no deal, just a divorce settlement.

She means staying in the EU.

phillw

adindas wrote: »

Swiss is much smaller and less influential than UK, but it could negotiate better with the EU because people there are united.

Switzerland has free movement of people and accepts ECJ rulings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland%E2%80%93European_Union_relations

They had a referendum in 2014 that passed with a minor majority, which would limit free movement. But they overrode that, so that they could continue trading with the EU.

lvader

Herzlos wrote: »

She means staying in the EU.

OK, then be a bit more clear to the politicians and demand that, not this nonsense we accept the referendum and will accept a deal that is the same as staying in the EU.

lvader

phillw wrote: »

Switzerland has free movement of people and accepts ECJ rulings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland%E2%80%93European_Union_relations

It would seem they are better at negotiating because they don't hate foreigners.

You really don’t know the Swiss, they have a bigger problem with foreigners than we do and they voted in a referendum to restrict free movement of people.

phillw

lvader wrote: »

You really don’t know the Swiss, they have a bigger problem with foreigners than we do and they voted in a referendum to restrict free movement of people.

That referendum seems to now have been overriden.

On 22 December 2016, Switzerland and the EU concluded an agreement that a new Swiss law (in response to the referendum) may require Swiss employers to give priority to Swiss-based job seekers (Swiss nationals and foreigners registered in Swiss job agencies) but does not limit the free movement of EU workers to Switzerland

https://euobserver.com/justice/136398
An EU-Swiss joint committee, where all 28 EU states are represented, said that the law passed last Friday in the Swiss parliament would limit the effect of a 2014 referendum to introduce immigration quotas into the Swiss constitution.

That was their response to "what do we do if we don't want foreigners, but actually we quite like having no tarriffs".

Ours seems to be quite different, I suggest it's the difference in TM & BJ negotiating which shows how much better the Swiss are.

Do you think Boris is expecting the EU to magically offer a deal similar to the latest Swiss deal, which is basically BRINO and would also see us joining schengen? Most Remainers would probably go for that, but I don't think it would unite the country because of the xenophobic rhetoric that was used during the referendum campaign and since.

If you want us to be a strong negotiator like the Swiss then we should revoke A50 and actually start negotiating.

lvader

phillw wrote: »

That referendum seems to now have been overriden.

On 22 December 2016, Switzerland and the EU concluded an agreement that a new Swiss law (in response to the referendum) may require Swiss employers to give priority to Swiss-based job seekers (Swiss nationals and foreigners registered in Swiss job agencies) but does not limit the free movement of EU workers to Switzerland

https://euobserver.com/justice/136398
An EU-Swiss joint committee, where all 28 EU states are represented, said that the law passed last Friday in the Swiss parliament would limit the effect of a 2014 referendum to introduce immigration quotas into the Swiss constitution.

That was their response to "what do we do if we don't want foreigners, but actually we quite like having no tarriffs".

Ours seems to be quite different, I suggest it's the difference in TM & BJ negotiating which shows how much better the Swiss are.

Do you think Boris is expecting the EU to magically offer a deal similar to the latest Swiss deal, which is basically BRINO? Most Remainers would probably go for that, but I don't think it would unite the country.

The Swiss federal government overrode the referendum result, the Swiss people aren”t happy about that. Switzerland have also stopped EU countries from trading Swiss companies which could have huge repercussions for their trading relationship with the EU. They are basically in a trade war.

lvader

As in 2016, Switzerland remains in the bottom 5 of the Ease of Settling In Index, ranking 61st out of 65 countries in 2017. Respondents often don’t feel at ease in the Swiss culture, perceive the local population as rather unwelcoming toward foreign residents, and struggle to make friends.

https://www.internations.org/expat-insider/2017/switzerland-39224

lisyloo

lvader wrote: »

Just to be clear there is no deal, just a divorce settlement.

Current deal = remainder = staying in the EU

The WA is not what we have currently.
It’s the proposed deal.
Remainers want to remain on current terms not leave on the WA