Will Brexit happen?

phillw

adindas wrote: »

They are using intimidation (power), bullying to achieve their goal.

No, they aren't intimidating. They have calmly put their case forward before and after the referendum.

Boris is trying to intimidate them into turn away from what is right by using threats. You obviously agree with using intimidation, as long as it's you doing the intimidation.

buglawton wrote: »

It hasn't had any practice! It's never had to deal with a serious negotiation between itself and a comparable nation. So it's approach has been hugely clumsy.

The EU has had a lot of practice, gone are the days when we could bamboozle them into accepting our crazy demands. It's actually the UK that isn't any good at negotiating, because we have outsourced ours to the EU for the last 40 years. We aren't a comparable nation by a long shot, it's only misplaced pride that has bought us here.

adindas wrote: »

[FONT=&quot]Also, Boris Johnson is not a type of person who could be fooled easily. What Boris Johnson sees for the reason of UK stance for no-deal Brexit is what people who ever negotiate in their life should be able to see after looking into the way EU negotiate which is actually using bullying and intimidation tools (Post #706)[/FONT]

You seem the type of person who would punch someone and demand they fall down, but then complain if they punched you back. Boris seems to be pretty easy to fool, he waved those kippers on stage while lying about the EU just recently. I'm convinced someone gave him those on purpose knowing that he'd fall for it.

Conina

phillw wrote: »

No, they aren't intimidating.

Talk about rose-coloured specs, what a pile of s*1t and I suppose they haven't intimidated the Swiss either who are now saying there is no chance of any deal with the EU until next year at the earliest - or Poland who aren't really being intimidated by the EU over forests, abortion laws or their judiciary - or Hungary who aren't being intimidated by the EU over media, minorities, and law - or even non-EU Indonesia who the EU are unfairly intimidating (or trying to) over palm oil - or ...... well there are too many examples to list TBH but suggesting the EU aren't intimidating the UK when they obviously are and when they have a history of bullying isn't on.

TREVORCOLMAN

Its interesting that those who voted leave are told they did not know what they were voting for whilst all those that wanted remain did? Therefore all leavers are idiots and all remainers clever?

lisyloo

TREVORCOLMAN wrote: »

Its interesting that those who voted leave are told they did not know what they were voting for whilst all those that wanted remain did? Therefore all leavers are idiots and all remainers clever?

No. We know what being in the EU means in quite a lot of detail.
There a lot we don’t know about leaving - we don’t even know whether we’re going to have a deal or how the Irish border works.

StevieJ

Spy_Key wrote: »

Are you?
Never mind, maybe you'll feel better after a good sleep.
As far as Boris is concerned, well it's no surprise that remainers are squawking when at last there is someone in power who is both pro-Brexit and who has the courage of their conviction to press forward with leaving the EU.

He is not 'pro brexit' he is pro Boris.

“Intellectually, he was in favour of the project. He was also a conservative, so he bristled against protectionist elements, but ideologically he was as pro-European as they come,” said Guilford.
When Johnson declared for leave, “I was absolutely gobsmacked,” he said.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/17/boris-johnson-support-eu-revealed-leon-brittan-widow-letter

adindas

phillw wrote: »

You seem the type of person who would punch someone and demand they fall down, but then complain if they punched you back. Boris seems to be pretty easy to fool, he waved those kippers on stage while lying about the EU just recently. I'm convinced someone gave him those on purpose knowing that he'd fall for it.

Well your analogy, I defenitely know myself better than you are. I do not want to be the first person to punch someone but when someone has started punched me, I will make sure they will learn the lesson.or report to to the police.

To come to the conclusion that Boris seems to be pretty easy to fool is defenitely wrong looking into his background and where he is now.

qwert_yuiop

adindas wrote: »

Well your analogy, I defenitely know myself better than you are. I do not want to be the first person to punch someone but when someone has started punched me, I will make sure they will learn the lesson.or report to to the police.

What is your native language? Why are you so against the EU?

adindas

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

What is your native language? Why are you so against the EU?

I am not aware that someone is watching someone else writing style. Is it relevant to the discussion ?? As this is an MSE forum and not a langague test forum, a person who ask this tell a lot of things of his background. Asking this question you might want to reveal to the forum, how many languages do you speak ? What make you think you have the right to ask this question ?? Answer me first and when I satisfied with your answer I will answer you.

Regarding the EU, I am not against the EU. I just put forward my thought. Some of them are based on evidence.

May I return your favour why you become an arch remoaner even you know that the current deal is very bad for the UK??. Keep in mind the current deal has been rejected three times in the parliament.

adindas

Conina wrote: »

Talk about rose-coloured specs, what a pile of s*1t and I suppose they haven't intimidated the Swiss either who are now saying there is no chance of any deal with the EU until next year at the earliest - or Poland who aren't really being intimidated by the EU over forests, abortion laws or their judiciary - or Hungary who aren't being intimidated by the EU over media, minorities, and law - or even non-EU Indonesia who the EU are unfairly intimidating (or trying to) over palm oil - or ...... well there are too many examples to list TBH but suggesting the EU aren't intimidating the UK when they obviously are and when they have a history of bullying isn't on.

Swiss is much smaller and less influential than UK, but it could negotiate better with the EU because people there are united. On the contrary to the UK among those who shout the loudest about Brexit now is the people who voted to trigger article 50 when they still have a very good chance to reverse.

Herzlos

When has a remoaner every said that the current deal (Mays withdrawl agreement) wasn't bad? It's terrible, but better than leaving with no deal.


He's asking about your native language to better understand your writing style, because some of it is hard to read to native English speakers.