Will Brexit happen?

JoeyG

Conina wrote: »

There's been trouble for three years because a minority refused to accept the result of a democratic vote, better to respect that vote and use the law where necessary on the minority who might still wish to cause trouble.

The country will still be split down the middle no matter the outcome. If use of the law is necessary, I would prefer the economy not be 'taking a hit' at the same time (short-term / long-term, both sides seem to agree it will happen)

Conina

JoeyG wrote: »

The country will still be split down the middle no matter the outcome. If use of the law is necessary, I would prefer the economy not be 'taking a hit' at the same time (short-term / long-term, both sides seem to agree it will happen)

Well what you prefer doesn't match what the majority said they want and until that majority have their vote respected you have zero chance of seeing a recovery either economically or in divisions, and no not everybody agrees that there will be a "hit" unless you're determined to pay attention to the pro-EU pro-remain prophecies because the simple fact is that no-one can guess accurately what the future holds.

JoeyG

Conina wrote: »

Well what you prefer doesn't match what the majority said they want and until that majority have their vote respected you have zero chance of seeing a recovery either economically or in divisions, and no not everybody agrees that there will be a "hit" unless you're determined to pay attention to the pro-EU pro-remain prophecies because the simple fact is that no-one can guess accurately what the future holds.

OK I didn't mean 'absolutely everyone', but both sides broadly agree there will be a certain amount of economic instability.

I would prefer a result that represents (as close as possible) the referendum result - that's 100% of the voters not 52% of them. (even if it takes longer to get there)

Conina

JoeyG wrote: »

OK I didn't mean 'absolutely everyone', but both sides broadly agree there will be a certain amount of economic instability.

I would prefer a result that represents (as close as possible) the referendum result - that's 100% of the voters not 52% of them. (even if it takes longer to get there)

I felt that way too about trying to respect all voters and not just the majority but three years of seeing the minority repeatedly and determinedly obstruct the implementation of Brexit has seen that POV change.

JoeyG

Conina wrote: »

I felt that way too about trying to respect all voters and not just the majority but three years of seeing the minority repeatedly and determinedly obstruct the implementation of Brexit has seen that POV change.

In light of Nigel Farage's 'unfinished business' promise, I don't think it would have made much difference which side was the 52%. I still believe in a workable compromise.

What I don't understand is the whole government paralysis. Other governments seem capable of making big decisions and still running their country at the same time.

Thrugelmir

JoeyG wrote: »

What I don't understand is the whole government paralysis. Other governments seem capable of making big decisions and still running their country at the same time.

Germany took 4 months to form a coalition Government last time. Italy is in a state of turmoil. Spain likewise.

Unstable times. Major policies simply aren't happening.

LHW99

That's been the case since Mays agreement was voted against. We need to get on with one of them, but we don't have a majority for either. The sensible thing would be to withdraw A50 until we have an actual majority and plan and then invoke it again.

A50 was triggered because there was a majority. Having another referendum vote, whichever way the small majority goes won't provide a resolution. A GE might - either because BJ manages to delay it until November so we leave by default, or because one side or other is elected with a workable parliamentary majority - and that's not guaranteed.

Tromking

BBC reporting that the Remain MP's plan, such as it is, is to force a 3 month Brexit extension. Cabinet are now meeting to discuss the calling of a general election.

lvader

Tromking wrote: »

BBC reporting that the Remain MP's plan, such as it is, is to force a 3 month Brexit extension. Cabinet are now meeting to discuss the calling of a general election.

There will be someone in the house of lords that will want to debate it to death so would not become law.

Tromking

lvader wrote: »

There will be someone in the house of lords that will want to debate it to death so would not become law.

Maybe.
Although I did hear yesterday that there is some arcane procedure in Lords that could be invoked should Members be inclined to talk a bill out and thus kill it.