Will Brexit happen?

lisyloo

lvader wrote: »

OK, then be a bit more clear to the politicians and demand that, not this nonsense we accept the referendum and will accept a deal that is the same as staying in the EU.

I am going to be clear, and so are the Lib Dem’s.

Unfortunately just leave wasn’t clear to everyone as some think it’s acceptable to leave without a deal and others (on the leave side) think it’s economic suicide.

It would have been better to have declared it null and void a long time ago and have better choices but we are where we are.

Remainers however are 100% clear on what deal they want - the current one we have right now.

lvader

lisyloo wrote: »

Current deal = remainder = staying in the EU

The WA is not what we have currently.
It’s the proposed deal.
Remainers want to remain on current terms not leave on the WA

You can’t have the same deal and have Brexit.

Malthusian

lvader wrote: »

As in 2016, Switzerland remains in the bottom 5 of the Ease of Settling In Index, ranking 61st out of 65 countries in 2017. Respondents often don’t feel at ease in the Swiss culture, perceive the local population as rather unwelcoming toward foreign residents, and struggle to make friends.

To put that into context, number 1 in the Ease of Settling In index is the famously tolerant and easy-going Bahrain.

You have to ask how much is the Swiss' fault and how much is the respondents'. If I go to live in a foreign country then it's my job to integrate, not theirs to be nice to me. (That is if I want to integrate. I have the same right as any native to stay at home all day and only talk to people on Internet forums.)

lvader

Well I know because I lived there for 3 years. My boss had the police visit their house 3 times, once for the neighbors complaining about their German plated car, once for nonpayment of a bill and the other to threaten to deport her children and husband over a paperwork issue.

I had locals complain that I was using hospital resources when I was in intensive care even though I was a resident and paying into the system. They have a huge issue of EU residents crossing the border and using Swiss healthcare for free.

lisyloo

lvader wrote: »

You can’t have the same deal and have Brexit.

Not sure why this is hard to understand.
Remainers voted to remain in the EU.
We don’t want brexit.

What point are you trying to make?

lvader

lisyloo wrote: »

Not sure why this is hard to understand.
Remainers voted to remain in the EU.
We don’t want brexit.

Well make it clear to the politicians that is want you want, none of this staying in a customs union !!!! or more referendum. You should be angry at remain MPs for not being strong enough in their opposition to Brexit.

phillw

lvader wrote: »

Well make it clear to the politicians that is want you want, none of this staying in a customs union !!!! or more referendum. You should be angry at remain MPs for not being strong enough in their opposition to Brexit.

I think we have made it quite clear.

Our unelected PM doesn't seem to be listening.

ndf9876

Brexit will happen, of that I am certain (FWIW I voted Remain, and am opposed to Brexit).

Whether or not it will be done under the auspices of Boris Johnson or a Tory government I cannot say.

Personally I feel that a binary choice was presented to the electorate and now that binary choice, as it turns out, isn't as binary as everyone thought it would be. More thought is required and as far as I'm concerned, marching blindly into a "no deal" Brexit is going to work out badly for a lot of people.

lvader

phillw wrote: »

I think we have made it quite clear.

Our unelected PM doesn't seem to be listening.

It's his job to deliver Brexit, that is how it works. There are enough remain MPs to stop Brexit, you don't need to convince any of the Brexit MPs.

phillw

lvader wrote: »

It's his job to deliver Brexit, that is how it works.

No, his job is to work for the best outcome of the country. That can include completely ignoring the will of the people. It's hard to argue a mandate when he hasn't been elected.

lvader wrote: »

Just to be clear there is no deal, just a divorce settlement.

It's a deal for separating and to keep us going until we figure out the future arrangement. Leaving the EU is hard, not because of people frustrating it but because overall joining the EU makes things easier.