Will Brexit happen?

Fran_Klee

Arklight wrote: »

A suitable complement to the ADVISORY referendum, then.

That'll be the one where MP's agreed to implement the result would it?
:wall:

Moby

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

It's odd how those so keen to point out that the referendum was technically only "advisory" are less keen to admit that the various motions passed in the Commons against a no deal Brexit were also only "advisory".

The point is we are a parliamentary based democracy. Always have been and we have representative Govmt who work with a parliament. If you want direct Govmt by referendum, get rid of parliament and vote in a dictatorship.

Eric_the_half_a_bee

Moby wrote: »

The point is we are a parliamentary based democracy.

So you agree that parliament should respect the democratic will of the people, and that if it does not, the principle of a "parliamentary based democracy" is void?

lvader

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

It's odd how those so keen to point out that the referendum was technically only "advisory" are less keen to admit that the various motions passed in the Commons against a no deal Brexit were also only "advisory".

There were other votes that didn’t have the advisory remark, they all got voted down.

LHW99

The point is we are a parliamentary based democracy. Always have been and we have representative Govmt who work with a parliament.

Fine, but my MP wants to remain, whereas the constituency voted leave - that's not representing the constituency.
The Government is trying to represent the country - which voted leave - but a proportion of Parliament seems determined to prevent it - they wouldn't vote for the negotiated deal and haven't (yet) agreed on anything else.

Moby

Eric_the_half_a_bee wrote: »

So you agree that parliament should respect the democratic will of the people, and that if it does not, the principle of a "parliamentary based democracy" is void?

Who decides what's 'void' ?

Eric_the_half_a_bee

Moby wrote: »

Who decides what's 'void' ?

In a democracy? The Demos.

Moby

LHW99 wrote: »

Fine, but my MP wants to remain, whereas the constituency voted leave - that's not representing the constituency.
The Government is trying to represent the country - which voted leave - but a proportion of Parliament seems determined to prevent it - they wouldn't vote for the negotiated deal and haven't (yet) agreed on anything else.

The problem is the 'referendum' type of democratic process doesn't fit a parliamentary system....for the very reason you are giving. You either vote for an MP to make decisions or you have direct referendums. IMO referendums are a poor form of democracy because they reduce complicated questions to a binary choice.

Arklight

Fran_Klee wrote: »

That'll be the one where MP's agreed to implement the result would it?
:wall:

In which case you won't mind them remaining in parliament doing their jobs for the full term this year, without some dodgy Tory dictator almost no one in the country has voted for, proroguing parliament then, will you?

Eric_the_half_a_bee

Arklight wrote: »

In which case you won't mind them remaining in parliament doing their jobs for the full term this year, without some dodgy Tory dictator almost no one in the country has voted for, proroguing parliament then, will you?

They're not doing their jobs. Their job is to respect the referendum. They are trying to frustrate it.