Will Brexit happen?

Moby

Fran_Klee wrote: »

Give it up.
You're talking about an advisory vote regarding a deal proposed by Theresa May in March.
Not about now.

The "cheap tinpot dictatorship" is in fact all those MP's who agreed to implement Article 50 in the full knowledge that it would not necessarily mean a deal was forthcoming and who now are trying to refuse both options.
That won't wash.
And that is why we are where we are now.

If you don't want the deal on offer but you've already agreed we will leave, there is only one option left.
Like it or not, understanding that Boris has done the right thing and if nothing else we should see the outcome soon enough.

Fran.... Parliament has voted twice against a no deal brexit. That was the will of parliament. It couldn't be simpler. Your verbal contortions change nothing and you were wrong and so was Ivader.

lvader

Moby wrote: »

Fran.... Parliament has voted twice against a no deal brexit. That was the will of parliament. It couldn't be simpler. Your verbal contortions change nothing and you were wrong and so was Ivader.

You provided 2 votes, one wasn't about no deal and the other was just advisory because all real votes were voted down including the last one.

Fran_Klee

Moby wrote: »

Fran.... Parliament has voted twice against a no deal brexit. That was the will of parliament. It couldn't be simpler. Your verbal contortions change nothing and you were wrong and so was Ivader.

No, you are wrong and that's why you have Ivader & myself correcting you, so I will make it as simple as possible for you.

Consider it thus:
You want out.
You don't want the deal offered.
After two extensions to try to get a better deal you still want out.
But you don't want the deal offered because it's the same deal you refused before.

Other than carry on ad infinitum in the hope of something better maybe coming your way sometime in the future there is only one option.

Leave.


It's wryly amusing that remainers who talked of "wanting their cake and eating it" when discussing what Brexiters supposedly wanted are now obviously determined to have their own cake and eat it by refusing both of the only options which they themselves chose.

A cup of tea please with no milk and no sugar.
Oh and no tea.
:doh:

Moby

I agree it is pretty simple....Ivader asked me .....'when was that'???
I therefore answered you both and provided links. Advisory or not....parliament has expressed it's view re. a no deal brexit hasn't it! Therefore the question is...Do we listen to our parliament or do we ignore it? Considering a major argument by brexiteers was about returning sovereignty to our own parliament, therefore ignoring the will of parliament is completely hypocritical imo.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47562995

In a night of high drama in the Commons, MPs surprised the government and voted by 312 to 308 to reject a no-deal Brexit under any circumstances.

In a series of votes on no-deal Brexit, the Commons first voted by a margin of four to reject no deal outright.

Then, in another vote, they reinforced that decision by 321 to 278, a majority of 43.

lvader

Still ignoring more recent and more relevant votes?

Fran_Klee

Moby wrote: »

You asked me .....'when was that'???
I answered you and provided links. Advisory or not....parliament has expressed it's view re. a no deal brexit hasn't it!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47562995

Providing links which don't actually say what you really wish they would say is not confirming anything other than your own ill-advised bias.
Again because you seem not to understand, the vote in the link you provide here is ADVISORY.
It also contains the lines:

That vote was on a motion which said the UK should not leave the EU without a deal specifically on 29 March, but with the option of a no-deal Brexit at any other time.

See?
I await your apology.

Fran_Klee

Breaking news about the protests against Boris's prorogation that were to take place around the country.
Millions were called to "take to the streets" and voice their protest.
The weather's not been bad, mostly dry.
So, the result?
:think:
According to numerous media sources, "thousands protest against Boris Johnson ..."
Yes you read that right, no not "hundreds of thousands" or even "tens of thousands" but thousands.


In London very recently, many times more people protested outside the Indian Embassy about Kashmir.

So there we have it; nowhere near as many people are truly concerned about Boris and his prorogue as the staunch anti-Brexit supporters would do their damndest to have us believe.
Now roll on Brexit.

Fran_Klee

Providing evidence that proves a point correct is now "trolling".
Apparently.
Some people really ought to read the articles and check what they say before posting links to them.

Arklight

Fran_Klee wrote: »

Providing links which don't actually say what you really wish they would say is not confirming anything other than your own ill-advised bias.
Again because you seem not to understand, the vote in the link you provide here is ADVISORY.
It also contains the lines:



See?
I await your apology.

A suitable complement to the ADVISORY referendum, then.

Eric_the_half_a_bee

It's odd how those so keen to point out that the referendum was technically only "advisory" are less keen to admit that the various motions passed in the Commons against a no deal Brexit were also only "advisory".