Will Brexit happen?

phillw

buglawton wrote: »

'That stuff' being HS2 for example.

Always in the hands of the UK? Think again. HS2 is the result of the UK slavishly following Jacques Delors' integrationist dream.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/9015342/The-continent-is-the-final-destination-for-HS2.html

Unless the EU forced us to build HS2 and didn't just say "hey we've got a great idea" then leaving the EU doesn't change anything.

Unless you're lying about wanting to have ties to Europe post brexit, which wouldn't surprise me.

What offends you the most that the idea was from a french man or was it just because he wasn't from the UK? How would you have felt if it was an English man, Welsh Man, Scots Man, or NI Man?

Why does it even matter?

adindas wrote: »

What about losers how many times just Brexit alone, including the vore in this thread ??

How many times did we during WW1 and WW2? The roles are now reversed with the British as the bad guy, but we don't all have to stand for it.

adindas wrote: »

Theresa May need to beg, now they open proposal for extension without UK even asking for it but UK ignore it.

They haven't, provide proof or we'll know it's just more leave lies.

adindas wrote: »

Everyone who ever negotiate knows that Negotiation is about power and mind game. The power will inlcude the power to cause damage to other party.

Only in a toxic relationship, they don't need to sink to our level. As we're only dealing with withdrawing from the EU, we haven't even got to the future relationship. I wonder how willing they'll be to compromise if we've been trying to cause damage to them.

In a good negotiation you find something the other side wants that you don't mind giving away and hope they do the same. If you need to cause damage then it's clear you have nothing to offer.

Herzlos

phillw wrote: »

Unless the EU forced us to build HS2 and didn't just say "hey we've got a great idea" then leaving the EU doesn't change anything.

The thing is, it is a great idea and actually makes some sense for a high speed connected train line. Imagine being able to hop on a train from Edinburgh (because ideally we should extend it all the way up) all the way to Paris and beyond without having to get off and change trains, it'd be great for tourists and business.



Aren't there also plans to run trains from Europe (Germany?) to China? Imagine what we could do if we were able to join into that in a suitable way. Think of the environmental savings of being able to do all those miles on a nice comfortable train rather than by plane.



Part of Brexit was so that we could invest more in infrastructure and be more proactive on the world stage, right? So better connections to the continent fits that perfectly.

adindas

Arklight wrote: »

I don't wish to be rude but you need to be much more careful with your written English if you want people to understand you. I can't make head nor tail of this. Or of much of what you write.

Thanks Arklight, That is very kind of you ...
But what about Brexit loser from previous post ??...
From today's news it seems they are loser again ...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/30/boris-johnson-prorogue-parliament-scottish-judge

The next, it seems Gina Miller is going to lose her money again ....

phillw

adindas wrote: »

Thanks Arklight, That is very kind of you ...
But what about Brexit loser from previous post ??...
From today's news it seems they are loser again ...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/30/boris-johnson-prorogue-parliament-scottish-judge

The next, it seems Gina Miller is going to lose her money again ....

I don't know why you're obsessed with calling everyone losers, is that how you feel?

The judge only said there was no immediate reason to rule, the government still has to mount a defense.

adindas

phillw wrote: »

I don't know why you're obsessed with calling everyone losers, is that how you feel?

The judge only said there was no immediate reason to rule, the government still has to mount a defense.

If someone is taking another one to the court, s/he will need to consider the chance to win the case.

If s/he does decide to take the case to the court, she is expecting to get what s/he wants, if not s/he lost the case. Not to mention time, money, physiological impact of the person losing confidence if it does happen a few times, so loser.

phillw

adindas wrote: »

If someone is taking another one to the court, s/he will need to consider the chance to win the case.

If s/he does decide to take the case to the court, she is expecting to get what s/he wants, if not s/he lost the case. Not to mention time, money, physiological impact of the person losing confidence if it does happen a few times, so loser.

The case hasn't been decided yet. Scotland and Belfast courts are going to hear arguments next week.

But as in WW1 and WW2 our soldiers didn't win every battle and I'm sure there was an impact on them. Are you calling them losers too?

Conina

phillw wrote: »

The case hasn't been decided yet. Scotland and Belfast courts are going to hear arguments next week.

But as in WW1 and WW2 our soldiers didn't win every battle and I'm sure there was an impact on them. Are you calling them losers too?

I thought you were totally against bringing the wars into these discussions - only when it suits then?

Moe_The_Bartender

Herzlos wrote: »

The thing is, it is a great idea and actually makes some sense for a high speed connected train line. Imagine being able to hop on a train from Edinburgh (because ideally we should extend it all the way up) all the way to Paris and beyond without having to get off and change trains, it'd be great for tourists and business

It only takes four hours to get from Edinburgh to Kings Cross from where it’s a five minute walk to St Pancras to catch the Eurostar. How much time do you think a high speed train would save and do you think it would even be possible to connect the two lines? One of the reasons for the opposition to HS2 is that it actually cuts little time off existing journey times.

Thrugelmir

Moe_The_Bartender wrote: »

It only takes four hours to get from Edinburgh to Kings Cross from where it’s a five minute walk to St Pancras to catch the Eurostar. How much time do you think a high speed train would save and do you think it would even be possible to connect the two lines? One of the reasons for the opposition to HS2 is that it actually cuts little time off existing journey times.

Who said anything about connenecting to Edinburgh (Scotland)

Not just about speed but creating a network that meets 21st century demands. Linking up major cities. Allowing for greater seat capacity.

Cannot go on increasing road capacity.

adindas

phillw wrote: »

In a good negotiation you find something the other side wants that you don't mind giving away and hope they do the same. If you need to cause damage then it's clear you have nothing to offer.

Where have you been ?? Did you notice the way EU negotiate with the UK under TM. It start from the negotiation order, MONEY FIRST. Keep in mind negotiation order is not in the treaty. UK have been giving up too many grounds under TM (and Olly Robin) in charge and get almost nothing in return.

This is what the EU want
- tie the UK to EU rules and regulations indefinitely.
- To make UK a vassal state and subservient of the EU subject to rulings from the ECJ.
- Hand over trade policy to the EU with no democratic accountability.
- To make UK a cash cow give some £30bn of taxpayers’ money without getting any agreement over the long-term trading relationship.
- All of that without UK having any voice or any right to influence the decision. it is by far worse than the UK is in the EU.

In citizen right of UK citizen in the EU Vs EU citizen in the UK. This is what Steven Barclays has said

“EU leaders repeatedly tell me how important citizens’ rights are to them but not only has the Commission refused to agree a specific deal on citizens’ rights – as requested by all political parties in the UK Parliament - the offer here in France falls short of what we have set out in the UK in several respects.

or example here in France UK Nationals must apply for a new residence permit within six months of exit day. We would call on the French to extend that period, particularly as French citizens in the UK have until the end of 2020 to apply to the EU Settlement Scheme.

“And while we have waived the fee for EU citizens to register in the UK, the cost of the residence permit in France is €119.

“We have guaranteed the rights of the approximately 300,000 French nationals and indeed all EU nationals living in the UK.

“I call on the French government and others in the EU to match our offer and provide certainty for UK nationals in France.”

EU have repeatedly said they will not budge. TM was using a begging attitude. Where did she end up ? She let the country fall into the EU trap making the UK the cash cow and subservient of the EU indefinitely without having any voice. It will only a naive person will not be able to understand why the EU will not budge as they already put TM into this trap. But God saves the UK in the last minutes before this country become the vassal state.

It is absolutely the right decision to go for a no-deal if the EU will not budget

Will you honestly answer this question ?.

In your own negotiation are you going to accept a deal which will keep sucking your blood for the rest your life ??

For no-deal Brexit Blame the EU.