Will Brexit happen?

SpiderLegs

Takedap wrote: »

When we have the televised debates, I hope someone asks the "Leave on 31 Oct at all costs" candidates what they will do if it doesn't happen. Specifically, will they resign on 1 Nov?


The only acceptable answers are Yes or No...

The actual question that should be asked is - what happens if parliament acts to prevent leaving on 31st October.

melanzana

I see all this Boris Johnson stuff as posturing.

I wonder if he is so stupid as to take on the poisoned chalice that evaded Theresa May. What has changed, what will change? Nothing.

He can take us out of the EU with no deal but I doubt he will, he knows how devastating that will be for the UK economy. He is not stupid.

And there is the issue of NI and the GFA to be considered, and they know this. But are trying to get around it. Clumsily.

But who cares about NI and the GFA and Peace?

Herzlos

I genuinely don't know what Johnson's end game is in this, given he ran screaming from the referendum win.
I actually suspect he hasn't thought that far ahead yet, or maybe he genuinely thinks he can best the EU in negotiations that they refuse to re-open.

It could be that it's always been his role to kill off Brexit after May set the scene.

melanzana

Herzlos wrote: »

I genuinely don't know what Johnson's end game is in this, given he ran screaming from the referendum win.
I actually suspect he hasn't thought that far ahead yet, or maybe he genuinely thinks he can best the EU in negotiations that they refuse to re-open.

It could be that it's always been his role to kill off Brexit after May set the scene.

I am so puzzled by his pursuit of PM job at this point in time.

For someone who is supposed to be so ambitious and oh so clever behind his bufoon image, I just cannot figure out why he wants to take on Brexit as PM. May couldn't do it for love nor money, and the reality is, that nothing has changed.

Maybe he thinks the EU (with a new Commission etc. in November) will look on him as the saviour and grant him his every wish

I'm beginning to think he is a stalking horse for someone else, and then he will ride in on his white steed to save the nation when it all goes to pot. Our Saviour

Takedap

I'm loving Jonathan Pie's use of the name "Demonic Raab" That one could stick!

Tromking

Herzlos wrote: »

I genuinely don't know what Johnson's end game is in this, given he ran screaming from the referendum win.
I actually suspect he hasn't thought that far ahead yet, or maybe he genuinely thinks he can best the EU in negotiations that they refuse to re-open.

It could be that it's always been his role to kill off Brexit after May set the scene.

BJ was in the Government post the referendum, he didn’t run away.
More than a few Tories think that the only Tory that could renege on Brexit and get way with it is Boris. Rule nothing out.

Thrugelmir

melanzana wrote: »

I am so puzzled by his pursuit of PM job at this point in time.

Opportunities more often or not come once in a lifetime. Someone that wants to be PM has to be prepared to deal with any event that arises.

LHW99

or maybe he genuinely thinks he can best the EU in negotiations that they refuse to re-open.

It appears Hunt thinks he can do this too.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48653990

Malthusian

melanzana wrote: »

I am so puzzled by his pursuit of PM job at this point in time.

It's his last chance.

Theresa May was supposed to swallow the poisoned chalice of Brexit and then, with the impossible job done and dusted, leave the next successor to enjoy being PM under more normal circumstances.

Unfortunately Theresa May spat the poisoned chalice out before she'd finished it, which means we need another sacrificial lamb. May's bailing out plus calling the 2017 election has completely screwed up Boris' timetable.

Boris did not want the job of overseeing Brexit but if he turns the job down now, he may never get it.

The Tories have won three general elections in a row. Whether or not Brexit is a smashing success, the electorate are sick of them. Even Corbyn may not be able to stop Labour winning in 2022. If Brexit is a smashing success then the floaters will elect Labour to "end austerity" and spread the largesse around a bit, and if Brexit causes a depression the floaters will elect Labour out of desperation.

If the next leader avoids another early election, it could easily be 2032 before Boris next gets a realistic shot at being PM, by which time he will have collected his State Pension. More importantly, a new generation of post-Brexit politicians will have emerged by then. Boris will be yesterday's man.

wintersunshine

Malthusian wrote: »

The Tories have won three general elections in a row. Whether or not Brexit is a smashing success, the electorate are sick of them. Even Corbyn may not be able to stop Labour winning in 2022. If Brexit is a smashing success then the floaters will elect Labour to "end austerity" and spread the largesse around a bit, and if Brexit causes a depression the floaters will elect Labour out of desperation.

So true. So so so so sick of the Tories. But I would not vote Labour. Vote Lib Dem, they are polling around the same at the mo : about 20%.