Will Brexit happen?

SpiderLegs

Arklight wrote: »

Quite. I am as pro-Corbyn as they come, but we need a definitive, and clearly communicated, policy on Brexit now.

One of his social media posts the other day said that Labour would be looking to build a consensus on Brexit over "the coming months."

The coming months? We could be fighting a GE in a few weeks. We need a position now. I don't even necessarily have to agree with it, I just want to know what it is!

Good luck with that.

Malthusian

Arklight wrote: »

Quite. I am as pro-Corbyn as they come, but we need a definitive, and clearly communicated, policy on Brexit now.

The policy is abundantly clear.

Labour wants the UK to leave the capitalist club of the EU and align itself with Russia.

This policy was overwhelmingly endorsed by the majority of the Labour membership, both before and after the referendum result.

kingstreet

So first this;-

prowla wrote: »

Well, one of the things brexit was about was the returning control to Parliament thing.


Based on the past couple of years, Parliament has shown itself to be incapable of controlling a set of traffic lights.


I put myself at 51%/49% leave at the time of the vote (with Obama, Blair, and Junkers swinging the decision for me), but I find myself wondering whether Parliament is, in fact, fit for purpose.

and then this;-

prowla wrote: »

And perish the thought, but Trump is absolutely right!

• Nigel Farage should be involved in the government's Brexit negotiations and the UK should be prepared to leave the EU with no deal, Donald Trump has said.
• In a Sunday Times interview, the US president was critical of government's Brexit negotiations, saying it left the EU "with all the cards."

So, what you mean is foreign intervention is welcome when it's the kind of foreign intervention that suits your perspective?

Personally, I would have preferred both of them to have kept their noses out of it.

Kohoutek

prowla wrote: »

And perish the thought, but Trump is absolutely right!

• Nigel Farage should be involved in the government's Brexit negotiations and the UK should be prepared to leave the EU with no deal, Donald Trump has said.
• In a Sunday Times interview, the US president was critical of government's Brexit negotiations, saying it left the EU "with all the cards."

It would be foolish to rely on Trump's advice on how to conduct a negotiation. Just look how he conducted the negotiations with North Korea. He legitimised the Kim regime and got nothing in return for the US. The decision to withdraw from the Iran deal has also achieved nothing.

It is also a naive person who thinks the UK can pursue the same approaches as a superpower like the US.

bhughes1986

I voted 'Yes', but upon thinking about it a bit more, I'm not so sure.

The problem for our current crop of Blue/Red politicians is that if Brexit (I don't like that term BTW) doesn't happen and we stay in the EU, they are both finished. If the current situation continues until the next GE, then there is a good chance that they will be wiped out electorally. The same argument could be made if we actually do leave, mainly because Leave/Remain does not fall along the traditional party lines.

I'm sure that they are weighing up their personal opinion (most want to remain) against the future of their parties and at the moment there is no indicator as to which side of the fence they will fall.

Either way, I think that big political upheaval is on the way.

The big problem we have in the country is that whether Leave or Remain, people are very entrenched in their views (to the point of religious fanaticism), meaning that we cannot move forward as a society.

phillw

Malthusian wrote: »

Labour wants the UK to leave the capitalist club of the EU and align itself with Russia.

Can you show where you found that misinformation? It doesn't seem to tie up with their manifesto.

bhughes1986 wrote: »

The big problem we have in the country is that whether Leave or Remain, people are very entrenched in their views (to the point of religious fanaticism), meaning that we cannot move forward as a society.

The big problem is that remain didn't get entrenched early enough, we have some ground to catch up on. The eurosceptics had 40 years of plotting as a head start.

d-day #neverforget #neveragain

Thrugelmir

bhughes1986 wrote: »

The big problem we have in the country is that whether Leave or Remain, people are very entrenched in their views (to the point of religious fanaticism), meaning that we cannot move forward as a society.

Society is dividing across many lines. Culturally integrating a whole range of different people is a challenge. Moving here for purely economic reasons is going to cause yet more rifts. Around here enclaves are developing. With many people happiest surrounded by their own kind.

melanzana

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Society is dividing across many lines. Culturally integrating a whole range of different people is a challenge. Moving here for purely economic reasons is going to cause yet more rifts. Around here enclaves are developing. With many people happiest surrounded by their own kind.

Like yourself I suppose, and sorry now but your post sounds a tad insular..."others are bad, natives are good" or something. I could be wrong, but that is what I got from your post.

I hope the UK survives this. But it may not.

Thrugelmir

melanzana wrote: »

Like yourself I suppose, and sorry now but your post sounds a tad insular..."others are bad, natives are good" or something. I could be wrong, but that is what I got from your post.

Hospital doctor beats up wife, (arranged marriage).

Nurse uses his belt on his children . In defence says it's ok as that's what his father used to do.

I could go on. Culture is ingrained. The frightening thing was that both these individuals were well educated professionals. Saw nothing wrong in their actions. Nor why they had to change just because they now resided in the UK.

Many of us are descended from immigrants.

Arklight

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Hospital doctor beats up wife, (arranged marriage).

Nurse uses his belt on his children . In defence says it's ok as that's what his father used to do.

I could go on. Culture is ingrained. The frightening thing was that both these individuals were well educated professionals. Saw nothing wrong in their actions. Nor why they had to change just because they now resided in the UK.

Many of us are descended from immigrants.

When you were in school well educated professionals used to do exactly the same thing in schools all over Britain because it was an unchallenged part of British culture.

Yet here we are now with safe spaces, LGBTQ awareness, immigration, multiculturalism, and the internet for you to spread lazy anti foreigner prejudice on.