Will Brexit happen?

Thrugelmir

quirkydeptless wrote: »

Results - nobody gets a majority

Going to be interesting. First past the post may throw up some interesting regional variations.

Arklight

Theophile wrote: »

'Sat' in Leave constituencies. Past tense.



https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-seats-switch-remain-list-13070561

I'd want to see some more robust data about that before betting the farm that Labour was suddenly a Remain party.

Remain supporters have loud voices. They are younger, better educated and very vocal on the internet and social media. Yet millions of Labour voters outside London who have never followed anyone on Twitter or commented on an online article, voted Leave in the last referendum.

Corbyn's strategy has been to let the Tories screw up Brexit as much as they can and then promote Labour as the party to pick up the pieces afterwards. Whether that will work or not remains to be seen, but Labour can't win if only London votes red in the next election.

lisyloo

Arklight wrote: »

Corbyn's strategy has been to let the Tories screw up Brexit as much as they can and then promote Labour as the party to pick up the pieces afterwards. Whether that will work or not remains to be seen, but Labour can't win if only London votes red in the next election.

If you take the local elections and European elections as an indication of how well that strategy is working, then you’d have to conclude its not working very well.

borntobefree

Arklight wrote: »

I'd want to see some more robust data about that before betting the farm that Labour was suddenly a Remain party.

Remain supporters have loud voices. They are younger, better educated and very vocal on the internet and social media. Yet millions of Labour voters outside London who have never followed anyone on Twitter or commented on an online article, voted Leave in the last referendum.

Corbyn's strategy has been to let the Tories screw up Brexit as much as they can and then promote Labour as the party to pick up the pieces afterwards. Whether that will work or not remains to be seen, but Labour can't win if only London votes red in the next election.

London will be orange at the next GE.

prowla

Well, one of the things brexit was about was the returning control to Parliament thing.


Based on the past couple of years, Parliament has shown itself to be incapable of controlling a set of traffic lights.


I put myself at 51%/49% leave at the time of the vote (with Obama, Blair, and Junkers swinging the decision for me), but I find myself wondering whether Parliament is, in fact, fit for purpose.

prowla

And perish the thought, but Trump is absolutely right!

• Nigel Farage should be involved in the government's Brexit negotiations and the UK should be prepared to leave the EU with no deal, Donald Trump has said.
• In a Sunday Times interview, the US president was critical of government's Brexit negotiations, saying it left the EU "with all the cards."

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Arklight wrote: »

Labour can't win if only London votes red in the next election.

Labour can't win the next election if it loses London and all the other Remain voting metropolitan areas and cities to the Lib Dems either.

movilogo

If Brexit does not happen, next GE will be fight between Brexit (=Leave) and LibDem (=Remain).


Labour and Conservatives will be decimated - not necessarily a bad thing.

Arklight

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Labour can't win the next election if it loses London and all the other Remain voting metropolitan areas and cities to the Lib Dems either.

Quite. I am as pro-Corbyn as they come, but we need a definitive, and clearly communicated, policy on Brexit now.

One of his social media posts the other day said that Labour would be looking to build a consensus on Brexit over "the coming months."

The coming months? We could be fighting a GE in a few weeks. We need a position now. I don't even necessarily have to agree with it, I just want to know what it is!

Takedap

prowla wrote: »

And perish the thought, but Trump is absolutely right!

• Nigel Farage should be involved in the government's Brexit negotiations and the UK should be prepared to leave the EU with no deal, Donald Trump has said.
• In a Sunday Times interview, the US president was critical of government's Brexit negotiations, saying it left the EU "with all the cards."

Let's tear up all of our trade deals & go see Uncle Donald when we're desperate. What could possibly go wrong?


Was there something about "America First, America First, America First" that you didn't understand?