Will Brexit happen?

Thrugelmir

Minute wrote: »

Sorry slight diversion on the actual Brexit happening or not. But it affects all of us Europeans living here (French national, been here 25 years). I have applied for Settled Status via that phone app (that is somehow only available on Android but anyways). Because I had a child 6 years ago, my application requires additional information ie proof of residency for the past 6 years !! Even though I was registered as self employed (so you would have thought the info would have gone from HMRC to them), they need proof.

All I can think of is mortgage and bank statements (which were given as options. Being registered at a doctor's surgery isn't enough). Down to the actual question. Can I blur the financial information? Don't fancy giving them the detail of all my financial outgoings, mortgage payments, spending etc for the past 6 years?! !

EU GDPR directive has many consequences.

You can redact your bank statement detail. It is of no interest.

Any utility bills, rates demands, tax demands?

Minute

Thanks a lot Thrugelmir
Utility bills and council tax bills, we tend not to keep for years on end, so much paperwork, then the digital files don't go that far back...


I was just wondering if they would accept all these statements with just the mortgage company / bank logo, our address and the rest all blurred! but if that's the case, good !

phillw

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Are you Corbyn's spin Doctor? The waffle goes on.........

It's strange how you think of the truth as waffle.

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Labour have no position for the simple reason it'll split the party in half.

I see you're equally bad with maths as reading. The manifesto was clear & leave supporters are in a minority in the Labour party.

Corbyn has been abysmal at doing anything, but that isn't the policy.

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The party is still a mish mash of old and Nu Labour.

Please explain how that is at all relevant.

Malthusian wrote: »

Brexit in name only is still Brexit as the "in name only" can be changed by the UK Parliament in the future, which is unacceptable to Remain.

You haven't been paying attention at all have you. TM's deal was BRINO, it was legally binding forever. Nobody is going to be stupid enough to enact BRINO unless they make sure you can't get your grubby little hands on it. That is why we haven't left and until leave supporters grow up then we won't leave.

Malthusian wrote: »

Only in Brexit la la land is "being clear that you want Brexit and clear you don't want Brexit" "clear".

You are ignoring things like the passing of time. One year me might elect a Labour government, four years later we might elect a Conservative government. That seems pretty clear, right?

Malthusian wrote: »

The Labour leadership for which the party overwhelmingly voted, twice, is very clear that Labour wants to leave the EU's capitalist club, and no amount of counter-revolutionary whinging from MPs will alter that.

That isn't what they put in their manifesto for the previous GE.

Malthusian wrote: »

So the party led by a Leaver is a Remain party and the party led by a Remainer is the Leave party.

Keep up. For a start Corbyn voted to remain. Secondly how the leaders voted is irrelevant to the party. TM tried to keep the conservatives together and she did that by trying to give the eurosceptics what they wanted and ignoring the rest of the party. She probably thought that the middle ground conservatives are too liberal to do anything, but the far right of the party would. It turns out that was a bad choice. Unfortunately her red lines made it impossible to reach an agreement with the EU that would be acceptable to her party.

Because we removed her majority then she couldn't just whip through her deal.

Malthusian wrote: »

Back in the real world,

You don't appear to have been in the real word for at least three years. Labour aren't committed to brexit & the people who voted Labour tactically to prevent brexit weren't particularly interested in what Labour wanted anyway. Which is why that support moved tactically to Lib dems etc.

The idea of tactical voting made the Daily Mail and it's readers cry, there were headlines of "Is Tactical Voting Legal?". Yes it is, and it's very effective.

Malthusian wrote: »

The first is that the EU expel us after we fall over a deadline.

They aren't expelling us, TM asked to leave.

Malthusian wrote: »

The first is in my opinion far more likely, as the annoyance of trying to conduct EU business while the UK claws at the cat flap is not worth our subs.

You want it to be more likely, you sound like you need it to be more likely. I suspect there is another way out of the deadlock that you can't imagine.

Something needs to be done about these out of touch politicians.

But Mr Mellor added: 'This decision by a district judge right at the bottom of the judicial food chain is a deplorable absurdity.

'You really cannot have the courts adjudicating on what politicians (do) during election campaigns. There madness lies.

'I imagine there will be no shortage of senior judges who will feel acutely embarrassed about this. Politicians at election times exaggerate, and say things that may or may not be true, and it's the electorate, not the courts, who should decide whether they are reliable or not.'

Apparently it's free speech to commit fraud during an election. The argument seems to have moved away from whether he can be trusted & they are making out it's leave voters fault for believing him. Remainers could tell he was lying, why couldn't the leavers?

mayonnaise

Jeez...are the usual suspects still banging on about the GE 2017 and how a vote for Labour was a vote for Leave? :doh:

Theresa asked for a mandate to pursue a hard brexit based on her infamous red lines.
Result: Tories lost their majority. Democracy at work.
Labour waffled about a 'jobs-first' Brexit which sounded good to me because a jobs-first brexit = no brexit.

Anyway, back to the present:

Liberal Democrats top election poll as support for Labour and Tories plunges amid Brexit backlash

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/liberal-democrats-top-election-poll-as-support-for-tories-and-labour-drops-amid-brexit-backlash-a4155726.html

:T

Thrugelmir

phillw wrote: »

You are ignoring things like the passing of time. One year me might elect a Labour government, four years later we might elect a Conservative government. That seems pretty clear, right?

Not if the Labour party ends up in a civil war. Pre Blair/Brown it was somewhat unelectable.

Nor can Corbyn implement his nationalisation agenda inside of EU membership......

BobQ

Malthusian wrote: »

There are two ways to break the deadlock.

The first is that the EU expel us after we fall over a deadline.

The second is that we cancel Brexit.

The first is in my opinion far more likely, as the annoyance of trying to conduct EU business while the UK claws at the cat flap is not worth our subs.

Its very unlikely that the EU will expel us unless we breach the Treaty by not implementing EU law or not paying our dues to the EU.

Takedap

BobQ wrote: »

Its very unlikely that the EU will expel us unless we breach the Treaty by not implementing EU law or not paying our dues to the EU.

They don't need to expel us. We triggered A50 which says we're leaving. All they have to do is not give any more extensions if we ask again.

Thrugelmir

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Not if the Labour party ends up in a civil war. Pre Blair/Brown it was somewhat unelectable.

Nor can Corbyn implement his nationalisation agenda inside of EU membership......

Should add that 110 Labour MPs (of 203) sit in Leave constituencies. Whatever anyone thinks of Corbyn. Far from stupid.

Theophile

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Should add that 110 Labour MPs (of 203) sit in Leave constituencies. Whatever anyone thinks of Corbyn. Far from stupid.

'Sat' in Leave constituencies. Past tense.



https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-seats-switch-remain-list-13070561

quirkydeptless

Bold new Tory leader move - Calls general election :eek:
or Parliament - No confidence in goverment. General Election :eek:

Everyone :mad: :eek: :T :sad: :undecided :huh: :doh:_pale_ :wall:

Tory/Brexit/etc parties campaign for leave.
Libs/Greens/SNP/Plaids etc campaign for stay
Labour campaign for constructive ambiguity.

Results - nobody gets a majority

1. Tory minority govt with Brexit party, fail to get TM deal, extend exit date, EU refuse to negotiate, FUA, no deal Brexit on !!!!!! terms

2. Lib minor govt without Lab, revoke article 50, remain in EU, :beer:
3. Lab minor govt with Lib after Lab decide their policy is remain. revoke article 50, remain in EU, :beer: