Will Brexit happen?

ukcarper

borntobefree wrote: »

I have often wondered how much better our world would be now if people had voted for Ed in 2010. No referendum, no endless Brexit nothingness. We’re on the road to nowhere...

No Corbyn and momentum, now that would be better.

qwert_yuiop

Nasqueron wrote: »

The Tories increased their vote in the last election as well - by 2.3m votes (turnout was a couple of % higher) though obviously Labour increased their vote tally by more (about 3.5m). Corbyn is anti-EU and voting Labour to protest Brexit in 2017 was daft given most MPs stood on a platform of accepting the vote result - Labour's official policy was accepting the vote as well, just a different end deal plan. The only real major loss of votes was from UKIP



I think the vote in 2017 was more about protesting austerity as well as Corbyn's giveaway and May's disaster of a manifesto

That’s right. Labour were the beneficiaries of a collapse in the liberal dem vote, the only true avowedly pro brexit choice for most. Now the lib dems are back.
Farage was surprised not to win in Peterborough recently, since that constituency had been so pro brexit. Surely this was because eu immigrants were not allowed to vote in the referendum but were in the by election , swinging it away from the brexit party?

qwert_yuiop

Malthusian wrote: »

The policy is abundantly clear.

Labour wants the UK to leave the capitalist club of the EU and align itself with Russia.

This policy was overwhelmingly endorsed by the majority of the Labour membership, both before and after the referendum result.

Finger on the pulse? Russia has been capitalist since the 90s.

phillw

kabayiri wrote: »

An argument against?

Okay. We bought tech services from India. In a ten year period the rate increased by 3 fold. It was more expensive than local labour here.

What you're describing isn't protectionism, it's supply and demand.

Trying to artificially control supply and demand is protectionism, which is what you want to do because you think it's unfair we're no longer top dog.

mayonnaise

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

Farage was surprised not to win in Peterborough recently, since that constituency had been so pro brexit. Surely this was because eu immigrants were not allowed to vote in the referendum but were in the by election , swinging it away from the brexit party?

EU migrants who were not allowed to vote in the referendum, were equally not allowed to vote in the by-election.

EU migrants are only allowed to vote in local elections and EU parliament ones.(*)

(*) unless they belong to the millions who were denied their vote due to 'clerical' (cough cough) errors.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/17661948.uk-government-facing-court-action-after-up-to-two-million-eu-citizens-denied-vote/

Filo25

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

That’s right. Labour were the beneficiaries of a collapse in the liberal dem vote, the only true avowedly pro brexit choice for most. Now the lib dems are back.
Farage was surprised not to win in Peterborough recently, since that constituency had been so pro brexit. Surely this was because eu immigrants were not allowed to vote in the referendum but were in the by election , swinging it away from the brexit party?

If you couldn't vote in the referendum, you also can't vote in the byelection/general election.

The main reasons Labour won is that they swamped the area with activists, they convinced a lot of people who would probably vote LibDem or Green as a first preference now to hold their nose and vote Labour to keep the Brexit party out, and most importantly the Tory vote held up better than expected, which probably deprived the Brexit party of quite a few votes.

Labour vote share still collapsed pretty hard though.

StevieJ

melanzana wrote: »

Sad times for the UK now, it's not as if everyone is behind No Deal Exit is it?

Some are, and I include the clueless incumbents for Tory Leadership i.e Johnson. He is a despicable moron imo. But others obviously think he is God's Gift to the UK.

How anyone could think that person is fit to run our country is beyond me. But there we are. The laughing stock of the world.

And before anyone lights on me, I do realise that the current election is confined to Tory voters in the end. God help them. And us, unnerving to think that we will be ruled by a PM who is unelected by the country.

Very worrying. But them's the rules I suppose.

Do you mean Tory members ( all 120,000 of them plus 40,000 new entrants, I wonder who they are? ).

Nasqueron

Filo25 wrote: »

If you couldn't vote in the referendum, you also can't vote in the byelection/general election.

The main reasons Labour won is that they swamped the area with activists, they convinced a lot of people who would probably vote LibDem or Green as a first preference now to hold their nose and vote Labour to keep the Brexit party out, and most importantly the Tory vote held up better than expected, which probably deprived the Brexit party of quite a few votes.

Labour vote share still collapsed pretty hard though.

The turnout in 2019 (48.4%) was way down on 2017 (67.5%)


While Labour's vote was down, so was the Tory vote - LD and Brexit party were the gains but at the same time, it's not really much to read into a a by-election, that Brexit party didn't storm it reflects the MEPs votes, Brexit party, and thus no deal, commanded just 11.66% of the total UK voting population so no deal should be off the table for the UK

Moby

borntobefree wrote: »

I have often wondered how much better our world would be now if people had voted for Ed in 2010. No referendum, no endless Brexit nothingness. We’re on the road to nowhere...

I think you mean 2015.........Good point especially since May has been trying to implement most of his policies anyway.

Malthusian

melanzana wrote:

Not really. They have had three + years and just cannot make a decision. Lame and frightened to be leaders.

So you want an even lamer forum comprised of people so lame they couldn't get into our lame Parliament? To do what?

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

Finger on the pulse? Russia has been capitalist since the 90s.

Only because it turned out the politburo could loot even more money as capitalists than they did as communists. It hasn't diminished Corbyn's stiffy for Russia. Or stopped him being a regular guest on Russia Today, or from supporting all things pro-Russian and anti-West. On every single foreign policy issue - Syria, Ukraine, Venezuela, etc - Corbyn is Putin's parrot.

In the eyes of the hard left it's still 1970 and glasnost didn't stop everything being Russia good, America bad.