Will Brexit happen?

qwert_yuiop

mayonnaise wrote: »

EU migrants who were not allowed to vote in the referendum, were equally not allowed to vote in the by-election.

EU migrants are only allowed to vote in local elections and EU parliament ones.(*)

(*) unless they belong to the millions who were denied their vote due to 'clerical' (cough cough) errors.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/17661948.uk-government-facing-court-action-after-up-to-two-million-eu-citizens-denied-vote/

Sorry. I didn’t explain that fully - the European migrants who’ve managed to get British citizenship in the intervening three years. Even a few hundred could have swung it.

Nasqueron

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

Sorry. I didn’t explain that fully - the European migrants who’ve managed to get British citizenship in the intervening three years. Even a few hundred could have swung it.

Do you think there really are many people who moved to that specific ward and who qualified for citizenship, and who took it out and registered to vote?


Brexit party lost because, as with the MEP elections, the vast majority of the country do not support their no deal idea.


MEP elections = support of 11.66% of voting public
Peterborough = support of 13.96% of voting public

qwert_yuiop

Peterborough is a town which has had a huge influx of Europeans. They didn’t have to move constituency. They just had to get UK nationality, and they’d three years to do it.
Just a guess, but the majority was only a few hundred, enough to swing it. Unverifiable of course.

mayonnaise

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

Peterborough is a town which has had a huge influx of Europeans. They didn’t have to move constituency. They just had to get UK nationality, and they’d three years to do it.
Just a guess, but the majority was only a few hundred, enough to swing it. Unverifiable of course.

Most European countries do not allow dual citizenship.
So I really wonder how many Europeans would give up a EU passport and all the advantages it brings to exchange it for a little england passport just so they can vote libdems or labour in elections.

Herzlos

I suspect many with family, homes and jobs here felt that they should apply for UK citizenship to avoid getting randomly deported like the Windrush lot (who were explicitly invited).

Filo25

mayonnaise wrote: »

Most European countries do not allow dual citizenship.
So I really wonder how many Europeans would give up a EU passport and all the advantages it brings to exchange it for a little england passport just so they can vote libdems or labour in elections.

Thankfully for me Ireland does allow it :rotfl::rotfl:

qwert_yuiop

mayonnaise wrote: »

Most European countries do not allow dual citizenship.
So I really wonder how many Europeans would give up a EU passport and all the advantages it brings to exchange it for a little england passport just so they can vote libdems or labour in elections.

Most of them do allow it. Lithuania and Slovakia would be the only relevant exceptions here.

Nasqueron

Herzlos wrote: »

I suspect many with family, homes and jobs here felt that they should apply for UK citizenship to avoid getting randomly deported like the Windrush lot (who were explicitly invited).

Rubbish, the Windrush lot were invited but the UK lost their paperwork. EU workers are here legally and have already been told their right to stay and work here will not be changed.


Pure guesswork that there were any EU citizens who were eligible to vote here AND that they voted for Labour, there are a fair whack of EU people who are anti-EU as well (the whole "pulling up the drawbridge" thing).


To put it into reality, in the period June 2016-June 2017 there were approx. 30,000 applications from EU citizens to become British citizens in the entire UK, double the number from the year before. In 2018 it was 47,568. Again according to the government there were just 306 people in Peterborough attending the British citizenship ceremonies (no breakdown by origin) in 2017. There simply aren't that many doing it and trying to suggest they were in sufficient numbers in a single constituency to swing a vote is clearly nonsense.

Herzlos

Nasqueron wrote: »

Rubbish, the Windrush lot were invited but the UK lost their paperwork. EU workers are here legally and have already been told their right to stay and work here will not be changed.

The Windrush lot were invited and their paperwork as destroyed quietly, decades after they'd been here. Then a decision was made to remove them despite evidence of them having lived here for decades.


There's nothing stopping the same happening to an EU citizen in 30 years time too. Some of them are already finding themselves getting rejected for settled status, being ineligable to vote and so on.


Would you trust our government to not screw you over if it could? I woudn't.

qwert_yuiop

Herzlos wrote: »

The Windrush lot were invited and their paperwork as destroyed quietly, decades after they'd been here. Then a decision was made to remove them despite evidence of them having lived here for decades.


There's nothing stopping the same happening to an EU citizen in 30 years time too. Some of them are already finding themselves getting rejected for settled status, being ineligable to vote and so on.


Would you trust our government to not screw you over if it could? I woudn't.

Do you not think the windrush episode can be explained by carelessness and laziness rather than malice?