Will Brexit happen?

Thrugelmir

Filo25 wrote: »

I think it will be pretty difficult to address any issues one by one, trade deals don't tend to be negotiated quickly, especially if there is the kind of animosity between the parties there is likely to be if we exit without any kind of deal (we also go back to needing each EU nation to unanimously agree with whatever deal is eventually agreed)

With EU Finance Ministers calling on Germany to loosen it's purse strings, and the German economy itself beginning to splutter. One would expect a degree of cooperation to ultimately prevail. Political posturing is all very and good (at Brussels level). Rather more difficult to sell back home when it's peoples own livelihoods that are going to suffer.

BobQ

We now hear Marks and Spencer has been told by Government that 50% of lorries will be delayed between UK and EU. Food supplies will be seriously impacted.

lisyloo

BobQ wrote: »

We now hear Marks and Spencer has been told by Government that 50% of lorries will be delayed between UK and EU. Food supplies will be seriously impacted.

Why?
What if those delays are say 30-60 minutes, whys that enough to seriously impact food supplies? Or medicines or car parts?

westernpromise

Filo25 wrote: »

With Labour now showing their hand and not being willing to support a Govt of National Unity without Corbyn in charge

You have to laugh at this - the idea of a government of national unity, led by an anti-Semite closet Leaver who lost the last election, implementing the agenda of the faction that lost the referendum. It wouldn't be a government, he doesn't believe in nations and there sure wouldn't be any unity. Apart from that it's a lovely idea!

Takedap

lisyloo wrote: »

Why?
What if those delays are say 30-60 minutes, whys that enough to seriously impact food supplies? Or medicines or car parts?

If lorry No 1 is delayed by 30 min, lorry 2 is 30 min late. If lorry 2 is delayed by another 30 min, lorry 3 is an hour late. If lorry 3 is delayed by....etc. etc.

lisyloo

Takedap wrote: »

If lorry No 1 is delayed by 30 min, lorry 2 is 30 min late. If lorry 2 is delayed by another 30 min, lorry 3 is an hour late. If lorry 3 is delayed by....etc. etc.

They have spent millions on facilities (it was on BBC last night).
They have the facilities to process lorries in parallel and not just one queue !!

Btw - we export loads of cheap cuts of lamb and chicken.
If we have to eat our own stuff then we’re going to get cheaper cuts, but we aren’t going to starve.

Personally I’m not over the moon, but I don’t think we’re going to have widespread starvation. People might have less choice, less availability and higher prices, but so what? No deal is better than a bad deal right and now we’ve taken back control.

Malthusian

westernpromise wrote: »

You have to laugh at this - the idea of a government of national unity, led by an anti-Semite closet Leaver who lost the last election, implementing the agenda of the faction that lost the referendum. It wouldn't be a government, he doesn't believe in nations and there sure wouldn't be any unity. Apart from that it's a lovely idea!

Not seeing the problem. No country has ever been governed by a "government of national unity" unless it's totally up scat creek. And anti-Semitism has been a terrific national unifier countless times throughout history.

The fundamental problem is that people are not yet desperate enough to be tooled-up and pogrom-ready, whatever Labour members may fantasise, and they still won't be in a hard Brexit. The possibility that M&S might run out of Percy Pigs early doesn't count. This isn't the 1300s when economic prosperity was at a low enough level that a recession meant famine, not more people on Jobseeker's.

Filo25

Any GNU (assuming one can even be put together) is literally just going to be in power long enough to ask for an extension to Article 50 from the EU and call a General election, there wouldn't be any meaningful government business voted through, because there aren't many issues which unite Jeremy Corbyn and say Dominic Grieve!

Zuzel

"Assuming one can be put together" is right; this lot couldn't agree what time it is, never mind agree on a GNU.
Johnson's wanted to be PM for far too long to have taken the opportunity at this time without having a bladdy good chance at staying PM for a good while IMHO, so I reckon he's got a plan underway that will see him stay PM for a while yet - and with a chance of winning another GE too.

qwert_yuiop

Will there be a government with ken Clarke as caretaker pm instead? More acceptable to the liberals and the Tory rebels anyway.