Will Brexit happen?

Crashy_Time

Herzlos said:

I guess it's happened, in that we've left and now just need to do the easy part of the future trade deals. So I was wrong there.

I'm still not convinced that the arrangement between us and the EU on Jan 1st, 2021 will in any way resemble what the Leavers are expecting. I just can't decide in which way Boris will betray them yet.

Sounds like you need more time to accept that what you wanted isn`t going to happen.

Herzlos

WTO is what happens if we fail to get a deal, it's not a real target as it'd be devastating.
WTO would also be the default state if Scotland leaves the UK but not join the EU immediately, unless a deal is made with England. 
Who'd hurt more under WTO: Scotland or England? 
I'm sure you can agree that the "you dont need to be in a union to have free trade" applies to scottish independence as well as brexit?

Crashy_Time

EU looking weaker by the day, they will probably capitulate on everything, or maybe try to bring the UK down with them? The banking sector will be hardest hit in that scenario so win win as far as most Leave voters are concerned I would say. Scotland leaving and joining EU is a pipe dream for fanatics I`m afraid, the population won`t go for it when (if) it ever comes down to that type of vote. Best bet for Scotland is that the EU noticeably deteriorates quickly then the SNP nonsense can be put to rest forever.

triathlon

Crashy_Time said:

EU looking weaker by the day, they will probably capitulate on everything, or maybe try to bring the UK down with them? The banking sector will be hardest hit in that scenario so win win as far as most Leave voters are concerned I would say. Scotland leaving and joining EU is a pipe dream for fanatics I`m afraid, the population won`t go for it when (if) it ever comes down to that type of vote. Best bet for Scotland is that the EU noticeably deteriorates quickly then the SNP nonsense can be put to rest forever.

Still waiting for the end of the world crashy?
How many people do you think are actually taking any notice of you?
Anyway, can't hang around chatting on here, need to put a few logs on the woodburner and get the lounge in my home nice and cosy on this cold windy night.

Herzlos

Crashy_Time said:

EU looking weaker by the day, they will probably capitulate on everything, or maybe try to bring the UK down with them? 

Are you looking at the same EU I am?
What makes you think the EU is weak or about to capitulate on anything?

Crashy_Time

triathlon said:

Crashy_Time said:

EU looking weaker by the day, they will probably capitulate on everything, or maybe try to bring the UK down with them? The banking sector will be hardest hit in that scenario so win win as far as most Leave voters are concerned I would say. Scotland leaving and joining EU is a pipe dream for fanatics I`m afraid, the population won`t go for it when (if) it ever comes down to that type of vote. Best bet for Scotland is that the EU noticeably deteriorates quickly then the SNP nonsense can be put to rest forever.

Still waiting for the end of the world crashy?
How many people do you think are actually taking any notice of you?
Anyway, can't hang around chatting on here, need to put a few logs on the woodburner and get the lounge in my home nice and cosy on this cold windy night.

Enjoy browsing HPC.

phillw

Thrugelmir said: 

Be the basis on which Scotland trades with the remainder of the UK after independence. 

In your imagined scenario are Scotland in the EU or not?
Both situations would be affected whether Boris caves or cuts his nose off to spite his face.

Thrugelmir

phillw said:

Thrugelmir said: 

Be the basis on which Scotland trades with the remainder of the UK after independence. 

In your imagined scenario are Scotland in the EU or not?
Both situations would be affected whether Boris caves or cuts his nose off to spite his face.

Firstly Scotland has to agree divorce terms with the UK. Then can rejoin the EU. That's going to be a considerable number of years. Adopting the Euro is likewise going to be a major challenge. 

phillw

Thrugelmir said:
Firstly Scotland has to agree divorce terms with the UK. Then can rejoin the EU. That's going to be a considerable number of years. Adopting the Euro is likewise going to be a major challenge. 

What UK law prohibits Scotland from leaving the United Kingdom and joining the EU before finalizing financial liabilities?
Scotland only has to commit to adopting the Euro before joining & the EU27 might decide to let them off that (especially if Boris goes WTO).
Can you provide some legislation that would indicate Scotland would be unable to switch Union's at midnight on a specific date, within a short time of a referendum? (or Northern Ireland for that matter)

Ruprecht

phillw said:

Thrugelmir said:
Firstly Scotland has to agree divorce terms with the UK. Then can rejoin the EU. That's going to be a considerable number of years. Adopting the Euro is likewise going to be a major challenge. 

What UK law prohibits Scotland from leaving the United Kingdom and joining the EU before finalizing financial liabilities?
Scotland only has to commit to adopting the Euro before joining & the EU27 might decide to let them off that (especially if Boris goes WTO).
Can you provide some legislation that would indicate Scotland would be unable to switch Union's at midnight on a specific date, within a short time of a referendum? (or Northern Ireland for that matter)

The EU that can not possibly negotiate a trade deal with a country already aligned within a year yet you think that a new country will be accepted as a new member by the EU quickly even though it has to meet their membership criteria is being more than a little bit hopeful, it would take years if all went well. The EU won't let members join if they have not settled agreements with neighbours either or don't you bother checking things.