Will Brexit happen?

Thrugelmir

scaredofdebt wrote: »

Brexit has always been about the rich dodging taxes,

Eire isn't a tax dodger?, nor Luxembourg, nor Germany, nor Jersey, nor Sweden, nor Denmark, nor the Netherlands, nor Austria.

Hardly surprising that the EU cannot agree on fiscal policies.

Moby

scaredofdebt wrote: »

It was "put-off" until the EU announced their laws around tax-avoidance, suddenly EU membership became an issue.

Which is why Boris is hell-bent on his October 31st deadline, the laws are due to come into force in 2020.

Brexit has always been about the rich dodging taxes, they've managed to fool large numbers of people into thinking it will be beneficial to the country as a whole. Austerity is to blame for most of our current problems, not immigrants.

Another GE will likely result in another hung parliament, it may well change nothing.

As well as dodging taxes the EU matters to people like Reece Mogg and Steve Baker for other reasons. They need a deskilled, low-wage workforce with few rights and for the UK to be a playground for low regulation corporations to attract business compared to the EU’s regulatory regime 21 miles across the Channel; Johnson's Brexit suits them perfectly.
Therefore when you look at the kind of businesses associated with or owned by ERG notables, such as Mogg's Emerging Markets Fund or Steve Baker’s financial services holdings, it suggests their penchant for transforming the country into a no-regulation tax haven totally aligns with their interests.
The poor 'canon fodder' who support them because they want brexit need to think......how far do my interests align with ERG multi millionaires!

Malthusian

Moby wrote: »

The deal is a rotten one not good enough for the future and it's flaws need exposing:-
https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1186989830695215106

Someone pretending they can't grasp the difference between issuing an electronic form and checking what you put on the form is a flaw?

If I drive down the A4 on a stretch with no speed cameras at 80mph, nobody is going to check what speed I am driving at. Adam Bienkov would say "so nobody needs to bother paying attention to the speed limit then". Which is not the case. If a police car happens to pass by I'm still going to get fined and points on my licence.

Likewise it is not advisable to smuggle goods via Northern Ireland without declaring them on the basis that the Government isn't running constant checks whether everyone is following the law so there's no need.

This is not difficult.

Moby

Malthusian wrote: »

Someone pretending they can't grasp the difference between issuing an electronic form and checking what you put on the form is a flaw?

If I drive down the A4 on a stretch with no speed cameras at 80mph, nobody is going to check what speed I am driving at. Adam Bienkov would say "so nobody needs to bother paying attention to the speed limit then". Which is not the case. If a police car happens to pass by I'm still going to get fined and points on my licence.

Likewise it is not advisable to smuggle goods via Northern Ireland without declaring them on the basis that the Government isn't running constant checks whether everyone is following the law so there's no need.

This is not difficult.

Really.... so on the one hand people transporting goods from Great Britain to Northern Ireland will have to complete online documentation - but apparently there will be no checks, says our glorious leader.
So really there is no need to actually complete the documentation, or if they do, no need to be accurate. They can put what they like on the form. I'm sure the EU will accept that! People do not always tell the truth, particularly when it is in their interests not to do so. You would think that Johnson would know this, as it is a concept with which he is not unfamiliar. If people always followed the rules there would be no need for border controls or indeed any kind of policing.There has to be checks. I cannot imagine the EU would be so gullible as to allow otherwise.

LHW99

They need a deskilled, low-wage workforce

I would have thought that membership of the EU in order to continue to encourage Eastern European workers would be in their interest then.

Takedap

Moby wrote: »

Therefore when you look at the kind of businesses associated with or owned by ERG notables, such as Mogg's Emerging Markets Fund or Steve Baker’s financial services holdings, it suggests their penchant for transforming the country into a no-regulation tax haven totally aligns with their interests.
The poor 'canon fodder' who support them because they want brexit need to think......how far do my interests align with ERG multi millionaires!

And when the NHS is sold off in our UK/US trade deal, I would imagine that Arron Bank's insurance business will benefit too.


Remember that the EU threw out the TTIP treaty because it gave too much power to American corporations. Is there any reason to believe that this will not be the basis of our new deal with the US?

Takedap

LHW99 wrote: »

I would have thought that membership of the EU in order to continue to encourage Eastern European workers would be in their interest then.

Yes but by leaving the EU, we can repeal the employment protection laws that prevent them being exploited.

Herzlos

And we can bring in far cheaper staff short term from the far east, whilst barely needing to treat them as humans.

Conina

Herzlos wrote: »

And we can bring in far cheaper staff short term from the far east, whilst barely needing to treat them as humans.

But you never object when we bring in far cheaper short-term staff from Eastern Europe and barely treat them as humans, or are you just going to carry on ignoring how most of them live when they come to our country?

No. Like almost everybody else you will insist on your British fruit & veg.

Herzlos

We bring in EE staff who have the option to stay here permanently if they want, no questions asked. We also have high standards regarding how they are treated (which I dare say is abused, but we should be suitably resourced to police it).


Staff coming from Malaysia won't be able to stay here beyond a VISA so will definitely be here short term (unless they abscond), and the Tories are planning on cutting workers standards "red tape".